07-07-2009, 11:49 PM | #1 |
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V6 Superchargers / Turbo / Twin Turbo
Can anyone tell us where to buy performance boosters for the V6's. Like superchargers,turbos,or twin turbos or anything that will boost hp of the V6's. Seems like nothing right now is really for sale for these engines, if they are they are very well hidden..So if you guys know let us in on it so we can try em out and let everyone else know how they work out on our rides.
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07-08-2009, 01:16 AM | #2 |
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im goign with cold airintake changing the exhaust and supercharger...could go aftermarket but waiting a few more months to see what GM has to offer..i live in kansas so wont be driving in the winter plan on modding the crap out of this thing then..so got a few months before the big search for parts..the one thing i dont think ill be able to get from GM is the tune but ill find one somewhere..hell theres good people on here ..should be able to find everything you need on this site
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07-08-2009, 01:29 AM | #3 | |
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07-08-2009, 12:12 PM | #4 |
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EDIT Thanks Mods for editing this thread...some people....
Jeeze....how the hell did a thread about a guy asking about aftermarket support for the V6 turn into slag fest...my god...who the hell cares if he has an Lancer....and a lancer is a nice car, dont knock it, and its not rice....now if he added a body kit and a fart can...rice...big time... but i digress...how about some people here grow up and answer the mans question's, or at least tell him politely to search around as there are a bunch of threads about V6 performance Here are a couple good threads about increasing the performance of the V6 http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31182 http://www.camaro5.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16988&highlight=intake+exhaust+pl an+400 Also, here is a thread about a Turbo V6 work in progress http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29495 I would also like to add that using the search button is an easy way to find your answers and not be flamed by some members, so yea, in the future, but i gave you the above threads to start ya off Enjoy your car!!! (i wish i had mine) |
07-08-2009, 12:42 PM | #5 | |
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07-08-2009, 12:50 PM | #6 |
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You have great posts and you really know your stuff so please don't take this the wrong way, but it does still have an effect. There is roughly a 1% hp increase per 10 degree ambient Fahrenheit temp drop. Same as if you run your car at the strip on a 90 degree day versus a 50 degree day.
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basic gas law....increased pressure, without a decrease in volume leads to an increase in temperature, since the intake manifold and supercharger casing dont change size, its a fixed volume, so any increase in pressure will increase temps proportionately (PressurexVolume=k x Temperature) So since the super charger only adds a certain amount of heat any decrease in temp of the incoming air will also decrease the temp of the charge air from the super charger. also since the super gets gets power from the engine (obviously) any decrease in resistance to bringing in the air results in the supercharger drawing less power away from the engine, leading to less parasitic power loss A good cold air intake (actually draws in cold air...not engine bay air) will benefit all forms of intake systems....turbo, super, N/A |
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07-08-2009, 02:30 PM | #8 | |
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07-08-2009, 04:05 PM | #9 |
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Completely off topic, so sorry, but what color red is that on you tank? In the pic it looks different from the frame. That is a sweet paint job on that bike. Heck, that's just an awesome bike...
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07-08-2009, 04:13 PM | #10 | |
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I'll be doing mine in candy apple red metallic, though. - X
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07-08-2009, 04:28 PM | #11 | |
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It's safe to assume that in most cases, intercooling is also used. When this comes into play, the efficiency of the intercooling is the real factor, as outlet temps of compression tend to be a constant value at any given range. In the grand scheme of things, the ability to delivery the correct VOLUME of air to the inlet far exceeds it's original temperature upon entry (for a street car). We get into turbine efficiency in jet engines for example, this changes a bit Point being -- focus less on trying to cool the air before it gets to the compressor (which you have a very limited ability to drop it any significant amount over actual ambient..) and more on post compressor. Edited for my horrible spelling LOL Last edited by MadMaxx; 07-08-2009 at 04:42 PM. |
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07-08-2009, 04:40 PM | #12 | |
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Good turbo + Tune > some logo'd plastic pipe with a filter |
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07-08-2009, 05:03 PM | #13 | |
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Actually, your numbers are way off. In order to produce 500* fahrenheit of output temperature in air, you would have to be using almost 60 psi of boost. Ideal Gas Law states that pV = nRT. Therefore ........p(ATM) .....= .....p(final) .................................................. ...................T(ambient) ..........T(final) OR ....T(final) ......= ......p(final) ......T(ambient) ............p(ATM) Which means that for 12 PSI of boost (random number for an example), your temperature will be 1.8 times your ambient (intake) temperature. If that temperature is 100 degrees, you're looking at 180 degrees of final temperature. With 90 degrees, you're looking at 162 degrees - 18 degrees of drop (Wow, thats MORE than on a N/A setup!). Maxx, like I said before, I usually agree with you. But the physics is telling a completely different story than what you're telling. - X P.S. - Not saying that a CAI will make more effect than a tune and whatnot, but the numbers show that it does have an effect on output temps.
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07-08-2009, 05:30 PM | #14 | ||
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A true 10degree reduction in elevated ambient temp (ie: by the time it actually makes it to the inlet of X) is actually somewhat tough to come by in many cases. Even if you managed to achieve 10deg in your example, you reduced outlet temps by <20deg. Congrats, you - on paper - achieved a 1.8% increase in HP or approximately 5hp at the flywheel on 304bhp. On a 400hp setup (again, being generally broad) that's around 7hp. I struggle to constrain my enthusiasm over 7hp...really. The spread of that same outlet temp vs. the modified outlet temp when passed over an intercooler (again -- overly broad examples here folks) the gap narrows quite a bit. Diminishing returns my friends... it's a bitch :( I'm not exactly new to the turbo world, and all I'm doing is giving real world examples on what priorty should be. I don't bench race, I don't theorycraft on what xxxxxx combo would make -- I only care about something functioning it's best for the lowest investment possible 1 TT Viper - home built by me when I was 19 1 Lotus Esprit 5 Turbo supras (Mk3 and Mkiv) 1 TT (1JZ) swapped Lexus SC300 2 3000GTs VR4s (one of them Hennessy's original silver state classic car) 2 Buick GNs 1 Turbo TA (20th AV) Several turbo diesel trucks of various makes Cheers! |
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