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E85=lower MPG
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I'm not sure about the whole E85 engines don't last as long. I kinda doubt that GM would put out so many vehicles that can run on it knowing they would be unreliable a few eyars down the road. It's kinda like intentionally putting out bad press. Plus at one time you may remember that gasoline engines wouldn't last very long if run on unleaded fuel. But we overcame that hurdle.
I would gladly run E85 in my Avy. But I don't even know where there is an E85 station in Toronto. The world DOES have capacity to generate much more corn and other materials to satisfy the eventual E85 demand. We just need to adjust the supply production. If the demand for these source materials (such as corn) goes up and production stays the same then of course there will be shortages and price increases - duh! The governments need to encourage these programs so there will be incentife for growers and station owners to supply the stuff to the public more readily. It's like the OEMs (and specifically GM) is ahead of the curve on this one. Look how many E85 capable vehicles are running around (even Dodges) compared to the population of available E85 stations. I don't know, but I suspect the profit margin on E85 is smaller. Shameful
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But increased HP. Research is a good thing my friend
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Heres another point to think about. Henry Ford was the first man to think about fossel fuels were not the way to go. He built the first refinery in the US, but when prohibition hit it was forced to be closed, some say the BIG OIL ( The Rockerfellers) had alot to do with pushing Prohibition laws to protect the somewhat new industry. Get educated and read because the info is out there. |
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I am amazed at some the comments. Obviously some of you did not read the article. Please read the intended article before posting, what a concept. Also I did not know there is so many energy/food experts.
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This is pretty cool if it comes to fruition. I think GM does matter and this is just one of the decent reasons. I've always wondered where all this E85 is at.... never once seen it in my neck of the woods. Maybe it'll start happening now.
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A few different people that I know that have E85 capable cars have tried "E85" and ALL have said that the lower price DID NOT make up the difference in lost MPG.
Bottom line is they were actually spending "MORE $$ PER MILE" running the E85 than regular 87 octane E10 !! For E85 to be viable, they need to reduce it's price to where the average driver SAVES money using it. Hopefully with new technolgies (as mentioned in 1st post) will eventually bring the price down to where it is actually cost effective to run it. Doug |
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Straight from Mascoma's web site:
Lebanon, NH - May 7, 2009: Mascoma Corporation today announced that the company has made major research advances in consolidated bioprocessing, or CBP, a low-cost processing strategy for production of biofuels from cellulosic biomass. CBP avoids the need for the costly production of cellulase enzymes by using engineered microorganisms that produce cellulases and ethanol at high yield in a single step. “This is a true breakthrough that takes us much, much closer to billions of gallons of low cost cellulosic biofuels,” said Michigan State University’s Dr. Bruce Dale, who is also Editor of the journal Biofuels, Bioproducts and Biorefineries. “Many had thought that CBP was years or even decades away, but the future just arrived. Mascoma has permanently changed the biofuels landscape from here on.” In a recent Forbes article, biofuels expert Helena Chum of the National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Golden, Colorado, commented on CBP, saying “This is the golden dream. All of the processes in one super-organism. That would be the lowest cost possible.” A prominent DOE/USDA research agenda states that “CBP is widely considered to be the ultimate low-cost configuration for cellulose hydrolysis and fermentation.” The full .PDF: http://www.mascoma.com/news/pdf/Tech...09%20FINAL.pdf
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