Camaro vs Ferrari

[S8ER01Z]

I quit.

[Armsman]

This would be a cool race to see.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

well the 360 is an auto transmission, so that takes away from any "bad driver" scenario

No, they aren't all Auto's, the one I drove was shifted through the tap-shift or whatever you want to call is on the steering wheel. I had to maunally up shift and down shift. So no that doesn't take away from the bad driver case.

[Vuron00]

Originally Posted by ssump29

No, they aren't all Auto's, the one I drove was shifted through the tap-shift or whatever you want to call is on the steering wheel. I had to maunally up shift and down shift. So no that doesn't take away from the bad driver case.

I believe he was referring to the OP. The OP stated that his cousin's car was an auto, so his driving skill wouldn't be a factor in the race.

[DGthe3]

Anyone know of the show "Mean Machines"? Once they put a Z06 up against the 360 Modena. The Vette handily won, and the base Corvette might have made it sporting ... but either way, its out of the Camaro's league. 400 hp in a 3000 lb mid engined car ... you aren't beating it in any race with an SS without lots of luck

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Anyone know of the show "Mean Machines"? Once they put a Z06 up against the 360 Modena. The Vette handily won, and the base Corvette might have made it sporting ... but either way, its out of the Camaro's league. 400 hp in a 3000 lb mid engined car ... you aren't beating it in any race with an SS without lots of luck

I'll tell you like I told others. The TQ on the car is weak rated at 275 @ 4750 RPMS and the 400 hp doesn't come out until 8500 RPMs which is its Red-line. In order to keep the car moving you need to keep it at high RPMS. I know what the car can do because I have driven it plenty of times. It's not out of the SS league as you would believe and it's closer to 3200 lbs. Fact still remains it will most likely run on average 12.5 to high 12's, SS can also run high 12's. When more people start getting these cars broken in and in cooler temps watch out you may see some hitting 12.7 stock.

And yes a base LS3 Vette will walk on this car.

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by patriotpa

Here's the closest I could find. Looks like a drivers race.

http://www.dragtimes.com/Ferrari--360-Drag-Racing.html

You think a 360 Modena and a Camaro is a driver's race? LOL now I have almost seen it all.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by ssump29

I'll tell you like I told others. The TQ on the car is weak rated at 275 @ 4750 RPMS and the 400 hp doesn't come out until 8500 RPMs which is its Red-line. In order to keep the car moving you need to keep it at high RPMS. I know what the car can do because I have driven it plenty of times. It's not out of the SS league as you would believe and it's closer to 3200 lbs. Fact still remains it will most likely run on average 12.5 to high 12's, SS can also run high 12's. When more people start getting these cars broken in and in cooler temps watch out you may see some hitting 12.7 stock.

And yes a base LS3 Vette will walk on this car.

Which is still slower than your proposed average time in a drag race. Average times for a stock SS is what, 13.2? We may well see 12.7 out of the Camaro under ideal conditions, but under those exact same conditions what will the Ferrari do? 12.2? And that means equally skilled drivers too, not poor vs average or average vs great. But it is true, probably, that the Camaro will be a 360 if it has a great set of conditions and a better than average driver going against a timeslip from a 360 who had a driver that never raced it before and look his car out some hot day in July. Yes, the Camaro would win there. But same track, same day, equal drivers Ferrari wins.

You mentioned that the 360 makes peak torque at 4750 rpm, which is true. But the LS3 reaches its peak at 4600 which is a lot closer to its redline and power peak, which is a disadvantage. Weight, I don't know where you are getting 3200 lbs from. I keep reading 1390 kg/3064 lbs for the Modena, less for other models.

The low torque gets made up for in gearing. Final drive ratio on the 360 is 4.44:1 vs 3.45:1 in the SS manual. Then it also has more aggressive ratios for each and every gear. Assuming the same losses in each car (which won't happen either, the Ferrari should have less) the 360 will lay down a mere 8% less torque in 1st gear than an LS3 Camaro. This is true at both the torque peak and at the power peak.

Then the Ferrari has a larger portion of its weight over the drive wheels than the Camaro does giving it even more of an advantage. And wider rear wheels. And lower cross section. And lower drag co-efficient. And a quicker shifting gearbox. It just goes on and on. The deeper you go, the Ferrari gains more and more advantage over the Camaro. Anyone who expected otherwise is looking through Chevy Orange tinted glasses.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Which is still slower than your proposed average time in a drag race. Average times for a stock SS is what, 13.2? We may well see 12.7 out of the Camaro under ideal conditions, but under those exact same conditions what will the Ferrari do? 12.2? And that means equally skilled drivers too, not poor vs average or average vs great. But it is true, probably, that the Camaro will be a 360 if it has a great set of conditions and a better than average driver going against a timeslip from a 360 who had a driver that never raced it before and look his car out some hot day in July. Yes, the Camaro would win there. But same track, same day, equal drivers Ferrari wins.

You mentioned that the 360 makes peak torque at 4750 rpm, which is true. But the LS3 reaches its peak at 4600 which is a lot closer to its redline and power peak, which is a disadvantage. Weight, I don't know where you are getting 3200 lbs from. I keep reading 1390 kg/3064 lbs for the Modena, less for other models.

The low torque gets made up for in gearing. Final drive ratio on the 360 is 4.44:1 vs 3.45:1 in the SS manual. Then it also has more aggressive ratios for each and every gear. Assuming the same losses in each car (which won't happen either, the Ferrari should have less) the 360 will lay down a mere 8% less torque in 1st gear than an LS3 Camaro. This is true at both the torque peak and at the power peak.

Then the Ferrari has a larger portion of its weight over the drive wheels than the Camaro does giving it even more of an advantage. And wider rear wheels. And lower cross section. And lower drag co-efficient. And a quicker shifting gearbox. It just goes on and on. The deeper you go, the Ferrari gains more and more advantage over the Camaro. Anyone who expected otherwise is looking through Chevy Orange tinted glasses.

Yes I hear you on the drag times but you missed my point. My point was being that the 360 has been out for awhile. The SS just came out this year not even over 6 months since the first cars were delievered to owners. Meaning none of these cars have fully broken engines. Thats why I say later down the line we will see lower times. the 360 and the times that are posted are from a 2004 model thats had plenty of time to break the engine in all the way. I understand everything you are saying and I'm not looking through any glasses. All I'm saying is it isn't as unforseeable to think the SS can't hang with the very least model of a ferrari. I will admit driving the ferrari is much funnier, I been there plenty of times with it. But I will tell you this the power feel and speed rush goes to the SS so far. Thats just my honest opinion.

My whole point is just because its a ferrari doesn't mean you can't compare it too a car thats pretty close to the same numbers. Although if this Camaro was as light as they use to be it would beat this ferrari. A 2003 Mustang Saleen will pull this ferrari model.

[fdjizm]

Is now a good time to make a "camaro crushes lamborghini" thread?

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by fdjizm

Is now a good time to make a "camaro crushes lamborghini" thread?

ok now you are being crazy no ever said the camaro was crushing anything. Read my post, you will not it any see where I said the SS beats the 360, I only say its not unbelievable to think that you can't compare the two.

Talk about going overboard.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by fdjizm

Is now a good time to make a "camaro crushes lamborghini" thread?

Of course not, only Mustangs do that. Amirite?

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Of course not, only Mustangs do that. Amirite?

No not at all fine sir.

[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by ssump29

Yes I hear you on the drag times but you missed my point. My point was being that the 360 has been out for awhile. The SS just came out this year not even over 6 months since the first cars were delievered to owners. Meaning none of these cars have fully broken engines. Thats why I say later down the line we will see lower times.

So what times are you holding out for? You believe the Camaro is going to do MUCH better than it already has? Do you think the SS is going to go 12.5 or better? I just want to see where you are coming from here.