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BackinBlackSS/RS · 03-08-2010, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by coolman

He's no different than Dale Earnhardt was except Dale was one after he put someone in the wall.

You are right, but I think Nascar was afraid of Dale Sr.

coolman · 03-08-2010, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

You are right, but I think Nascar was afraid of Dale Sr.

He wasn't called the intimidator for nothing.

BackinBlackSS/RS · 03-08-2010, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by coolman

He wasn't called the intimidator for nothing.

You got that right! I doubt there has ever been a driver that when you seem him in your rearview mirror, would cause you to mess your pants more than him.

CamaroScotty · 03-08-2010, 08:40 AM

IS it just me, or am I the only one thinking the rear wing on these cars causes them to flip? I mean - going forward they are angled down to push the car down to the road....but the wing when going backwards is now angled UP, creating lift like an airplane....rendering the flaps ineffective. Seems every car I've seen go backwards lifts up and flips.

BackinBlackSS/RS · 03-08-2010, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CamaroScotty

IS it just me, or am I the only one thinking the rear wing on these cars causes them to flip? I mean - going forward they are angled down to push the car down to the road....but the wing when going backwards is now angled UP, creating lift like an airplane....rendering the flaps ineffective. Seems every car I've seen go backwards lifts up and flips.

No you're not. I was so disappointed when they went with that ricer wing. I agree that it is dangerous and Brad's car yesterday probably would have stayed down. I'm so glad they are going back to the spoiler in a few races.

Blueclyde · 03-08-2010, 08:53 AM

Wow, I am surprised by all of the comments on the subject. I guess I'll take the other side. I was glad to see Edwards do it. Brad didn't deserve to get put on his lid but he needed to have a message sent since NASCAR apparently hasn't done it. There are many of the veteran competitors that quietly applauded Edwards yesterday. I am not an Edwards fan at all but I believe they should let the drivers police themselves. That is what NASCAR wanted this year "old school" "take the gloves off" racing. Well, that is what you saw yesterday. I, for one, liked it. In the new age of all this NASCAR non-sense (green, white, checker, The Chase, billion dollar car templates, etc) I like a little old school. The only thing that would have been better is if he wouldn't have wrecked him on the track but would have jacked him in the mouth after the race. That would have been better.

BackinBlackSS/RS · 03-08-2010, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Blueclyde

Wow, I am surprised by all of the comments on the subject. I guess I'll take the other side. I was glad to see Edwards do it. Brad didn't deserve to get put on his lid but he needed to have a message sent since NASCAR apparently hasn't done it. There are many of the veteran competitors that quietly applauded Edwards yesterday. I am not an Edwards fan at all but I believe they should let the drivers police themselves. That is what NASCAR wanted this year "old school" "take the gloves off" racing. Well, that is what you saw yesterday. I, for one, liked it. In the new age of all this NASCAR non-sense (green, white, checker, The Chase, billion dollar car templates, etc) I like a little old school. The only thing that would have been better is if he wouldn't have wrecked him on the track but would have jacked him in the mouth after the race. That would have been better.

I don't think anyone is arguing whether these kinds of bumps should happen.
There are times to put a fender on someone, but that was not the time.
There is a place and time. That's where he screwed up.

Blueclyde · 03-08-2010, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

I don't think anyone is arguing whether these kinds of bumps should happen.
There are times to put a fender on someone, but that was not the time.
There is a place and time. That's where he screwed up.

I would agree but I do not think the last lap at last spring's Dega race was the proper place either. Not sure if you all saw that... These guys need to police themselves. Brad is not very popular with the veterans and Carl sent him a message that hopefully works.

ljustin293 · 03-08-2010, 09:24 AM

I'm so torn on this...I love the aggressive driving but #12 was in the top 5 and Carl was 100+ laps down, if they are both fighting for the same position, then I say bump him out of the way. There was no doubt it was intentional, and I know Carl never meant for him to flip (so glad the spoliers are coming back).

jrc1122 · 03-08-2010, 10:52 AM

The lap difference made all the difference for me.

One guy was running in top 10, one was in dead last (or close to it) 100 laps + down.

I think B. Keslowski is a Douche Bag-- but that was still wrong. If something more happened earlier in the race, I would say it was warranted. But I watched the replay several times from the earlier incident in the race, it was really no big deal. Definitely didn't deserve to wreck a top 10 car 100% on purpose.
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firengnred · 03-08-2010, 11:13 AM

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Definitely didn't deserve to wreck a top 10 car 100% on purpose.

That is what made the "message" that much more valuable. Spinning a guy out don't mean dick unless it's gonna cost him something. Flipping him wasn't the intention or the result of spinning him. It was that damn wing that lofted him. If we're both runninig out of contention and you deserve a nudge I might give it to you. BUT, if your in contention and I'm not....oh hell yes brother, It's coming!

mamaro · 03-08-2010, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroScotty

IS it just me, or am I the only one thinking the rear wing on these cars causes them to flip? I mean - going forward they are angled down to push the car down to the road....but the wing when going backwards is now angled UP, creating lift like an airplane....rendering the flaps ineffective. Seems every car I've seen go backwards lifts up and flips.

Totally agree, and I've heard this several times in commentaries.

Wing comes off at Martinsville!

Edwards

I've heard his teammate Biffle confirm on television what I've always suspected of him. Bad, bad, bad.

That's not to say I don't enjoy aggressive driving. This guy is just a jerk. He's tried hiding it for several years, but it's coming out again.

"prima"Donna · 03-08-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mamaro

Totally agree, and I've heard this several times in commentaries.

Wing comes off at Martinsville!

Edwards

I've heard his teammate Biffle confirm on television what I've always suspected of him. Bad, bad, bad.

That's not to say I don't enjoy aggressive driving. This guy is just a jerk. He's tried hiding it for several years, but it's coming out again.

+1

BackinBlackSS/RS · 03-08-2010, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by coolman

The script calls for a new bad guy to try get ratings up since Earnhardt died. Give him a break. He's only doing what nascar wants him to do.

We will find out if you are right when Nascar hands out his discipline.

03-08-2010, 10:52 AM	#24
jrc1122 Drives: 2012 Mustang GT Join Date: May 2009 Location: Abilene, TX Posts: 1,358	The lap difference made all the difference for me. One guy was running in top 10, one was in dead last (or close to it) 100 laps + down. I think B. Keslowski is a Douche Bag-- but that was still wrong. If something more happened earlier in the race, I would say it was warranted. But I watched the replay several times from the earlier incident in the race, it was really no big deal. Definitely didn't deserve to wreck a top 10 car 100% on purpose. ________ Ford Flex Picture Last edited by jrc1122; 03-11-2011 at 10:58 PM.

03-08-2010, 08:40 AM	#18
CamaroScotty Account Suspended Drives: Your new SLP Camaro! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cedarburg, WI Posts: 6,801	IS it just me, or am I the only one thinking the rear wing on these cars causes them to flip? I mean - going forward they are angled down to push the car down to the road....but the wing when going backwards is now angled UP, creating lift like an airplane....rendering the flaps ineffective. Seems every car I've seen go backwards lifts up and flips.

03-08-2010, 08:53 AM	#20
Blueclyde Drives: 2023 ZLE Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Detroit Posts: 1,717	Wow, I am surprised by all of the comments on the subject. I guess I'll take the other side. I was glad to see Edwards do it. Brad didn't deserve to get put on his lid but he needed to have a message sent since NASCAR apparently hasn't done it. There are many of the veteran competitors that quietly applauded Edwards yesterday. I am not an Edwards fan at all but I believe they should let the drivers police themselves. That is what NASCAR wanted this year "old school" "take the gloves off" racing. Well, that is what you saw yesterday. I, for one, liked it. In the new age of all this NASCAR non-sense (green, white, checker, The Chase, billion dollar car templates, etc) I like a little old school. The only thing that would have been better is if he wouldn't have wrecked him on the track but would have jacked him in the mouth after the race. That would have been better.

03-08-2010, 09:24 AM	#23
ljustin293 Drives: 2010 VR CAMARO 2SS/RS Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: GA Posts: 15,060 View My Garage	I'm so torn on this...I love the aggressive driving but #12 was in the top 5 and Carl was 100+ laps down, if they are both fighting for the same position, then I say bump him out of the way. There was no doubt it was intentional, and I know Carl never meant for him to flip (so glad the spoliers are coming back).