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Old 04-28-2013, 08:23 AM   #15
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Whoops, missed that 1,000 rwhp part.

Yea OP, an LS3 can't safely/reliably make 1,000 rwhp without you having to worry about something breaking.
"Safely/reliably" wow. You can throw a dump truck load of money and expertise at it and a thousand RWHP isn't reality safely/reliably. What about the rest of the car? You need another dump truck load of benjamins for everything behind the motor. Fun to talk about and spend someone else's money though
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"Safely/reliably" wow. You can throw a dump truck load of money and expertise at it and a thousand RWHP isn't reality safely/reliably. What about the rest of the car? You need another dump truck load of benjamins for everything behind the motor. Fun to talk about and spend someone else's money though
Well yea, I kind of assumed the OP understood that the rest of the drivetrain , axles, suspension, etc. needs to be upgraded as well.
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The best way to go is to do all the labor yourself and get an lsx 416. Price will come down to about 9.5k.

You're going to come in at more than 9.5k, you'll still be at 12-13 with the machining of a bare block, if you do the correct machine work, there's a lot of it.
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Old 04-28-2013, 09:36 AM   #18
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Well yea, I kind of assumed the OP understood that the rest of the drivetrain , axles, suspension, etc. needs to be upgraded as well.
Not picking on you, or anybody else for that matter. 1000rwhp sometimes gets thrown around like it's easily/safely/reliably done. It's not. Takes a big commitment and a carefully mapped out plan. It's not a street car anymore if the "safely" part of it is even remotely considered. Roll cage, fire supression system, etc. I admire those that do it right. Most, me included, can have a whole lot of fun at rwhp numbers way less than that.
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1000 whp is tough without pushing water on the 4 bolt.. otherwise id be pushing 1000. Ill be keeping mine around 900-925.
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It took me 6 months, on a plan that was to take 3, and I'm not sure ill ever see 4 digits on the dyno. Because to control 1000whp on the track I'll be running a turbo 400, drivetrain loss much? I agree with Motorhead here, the engine is just the beginning of the project.
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Old 04-28-2013, 09:56 AM   #21
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Iirc they were welding an ear on the blocks for a 6 bolt head. How much boost will you be using? Will you be going s/c or turbo?
It turbo you won't be needing 6bolt heads. I've seen plenty of Ls1/2/3's with forged internals and ARP head studs IN the 900's you'll be fine.
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Old 04-28-2013, 10:20 AM   #22
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Not picking on you, or anybody else for that matter. 1000rwhp sometimes gets thrown around like it's easily/safely/reliably done. It's not. Takes a big commitment and a carefully mapped out plan. It's not a street car anymore if the "safely" part of it is even remotely considered. Roll cage, fire supression system, etc. I admire those that do it right. Most, me included, can have a whole lot of fun at rwhp numbers way less than that.
Agreed. Everyone always asks about reliability and alot of people reply back everything SHOULD be fine. Reliability goes out out the window when you are doubling or tripling the hp that this car was designed to be. It is a big daisy chain hp/trq always finds the weak link, and it never stops looking for it. If you know that going in it makes the process a lot easier to stomach.
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Old 04-28-2013, 11:18 AM   #23
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buy already built shortblock from texas speed or other place of recomendation or buy a rotating assembly and try and find someone to install it. Im looking for the least expensive and relible rout togo. Im aiming for 1000rwhp
There is no least expensive/reliable route to 1000rwhp! At least in my experience there isn't. YMMV
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There are numerous engine builders which can handle this task. You're going to need a LSX with 6 bolt heads (inherent reliability). However, my advise based on your post. I would have a solid LSX shortblock installed and push that to a manageable level. See how like it at that power level. You can always upgrade components at you're own pace if you have that solid shortblock foundation. If you still want more power, you have a foundation installed that will do the job . I will remind you of one thing. The words least expensive and 1000 WHP don't usually work well together.
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There are numerous engine builders which can handle this task. You're going to need a LSX with 6 bolt heads (inherent reliability). However, my advise based on your post. I would have a solid LSX shortblock installed and push that to a manageable level. See how like it at that power level. You can always upgrade components at you're own pace if you have that solid shortblock foundation. If you still want more power, you have a foundation installed that will do the job . I will remind you of one thing. The words least expensive and 1000 WHP don't usually work well together.
FrOm what im hearing. Id have to agree lol. I just want a street car that will beat 1000cc sportbikes. So i have to keepit at 900. I may just do that
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FrOm what im hearing. Id have to agree lol. I just want a street car that will beat 1000cc sportbikes. So i have to keepit at 900. I may just do that

Actually the 700 to 800 range is still expensive but you don't have to anything exotic to get there. Stroker blower cam and some work to the drive train will usually land in the 700 to 800. For 800 you'll probably need to push things a bit. I think 900 is going to take something exotic. Twin turbos.
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If you have a good solid, consistent combination . You can handle most 1000cc bike (riders) with a lot less than 1000 WHP. A 700 WHP car is really good driving street car and 600 isn't too bad either. I'm not sure what your power level is but I wouldn't recomend jumping in head first unless you're extremely committed to your goals. Have fun with it and get a solid short block that you can beat on with some durability. You'll probably be happier in the long run with way less than 1000 whp
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If you have a good solid, consistent combination . You can handle most 1000cc bike (riders) with a lot less than 1000 WHP. A 700 WHP car is really good driving street car and 600 isn't too bad either. I'm not sure what your power level is but I wouldn't recomend jumping in head first unless you're extremely committed to your goals. Have fun with it and get a solid short block that you can beat on with some durability. You'll probably be happier in the long run with way less than 1000 whp
Im sitting at 700rwhp right now. With d1sc a cam fuel support and othe minor mods. I beat 600s, im aiming for 1000s. And yes it is a streetcar haha
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