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ewynn9 · 09-18-2013, 09:56 AM

I know I've seen in mentioned on here before when the Ice-olator first came out but I can't seem to find the post.

I seem to remember someone saying that when they installed both the Vararam and the Ice-olator at the same time, it had an adverse affect. Another posted did the same thing but installed the Ice-olator first and allowed the car to relearn after roughly 100 miles and then installed the vararam. They got the results that they were supposed to get.

Is the correct way Ice-olator -> relearn -> vararam -> increased perma grin?

pgustavson · 09-18-2013, 11:59 AM

I don't believe there is a correct order. I don't recall the thread you mentioned, and I thought I followed the Black Ice-olator release fairly closely. Anyway, if you are concerned about issues, then by all means do them one-at-a-time. Either order would be fine. I did my Vararam and PTB together, and then later did the ported IM and Black Ice-olator at the same time. No issues whatsoever.

EDIT: However, I will say that I read that the Vararam install seemed easier (or there was improved fitment) after the Ice-olator was installed.

KMPrenger · 09-18-2013, 12:40 PM

I really can't see how it would matter.

I had my Vararam first, and added the black Ice later once it became available. No issues here.

Ir0nM4n · 09-18-2013, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger

I really can't see how it would matter.

I had my Vararam first, and added the black Ice later once it became available. No issues here.

same

Sikoriko · 09-18-2013, 04:36 PM

It shouldn't matter, but yes the grin will be last to self/installed

ewynn9 · 09-19-2013, 11:22 AM

Sounds good to me. Both are on the way. I'll do the fuse pull as well that I've read in a few other ice-olator threads.

pgustavson · 09-19-2013, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ewynn9

Sounds good to me. Both are on the way. I'll do the fuse pull as well that I've read in a few other ice-olator threads.

I don't know about the "fuse pull" on a V6, but step #1 of most installations is to disconnect the negative battery cable. I believe it's a good practice since you will be unplugging electrical connectors. I believe it will sort of reset the ECM and shorten the re-learn process.

SS785 · 09-21-2013, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ewynn9

Sounds good to me. Both are on the way. I'll do the fuse pull as well that I've read in a few other ice-olator threads.

When I had mine, I installed the Vararam first and the isolator later but only because that's the order that I bought them. I would just disconnect the battery and install them both at the same time.

Btw, do you need an extra gasket for your isolator or did you end up buying the permatex goop? I could send you my extra one if you need it.

ewynn9 · 09-22-2013, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SS785

When I had mine, I installed the Vararam first and the isolator later but only because that's the order that I bought them. I would just disconnect the battery and install them both at the same time.

Btw, do you need an extra gasket for your isolator or did you end up buying the permatex goop? I could send you my extra one if you need it.

I'm just going to use the goop. Thank you tho.

Ivan @ Southwest Speed · 09-24-2013, 02:05 PM

I've seen and heard of Permagrin>reduction in permagrin>ICEolator>renewed Permagrin>Vararam>Black Hole....

Just saying.

Great luck to you and let us know if you need any assistance.
Ivan @ Southwest Speed

Shift_Rejected · 09-24-2013, 02:35 PM

ICEolator>renewed Permagrin> is where I'm at, very surprised in this little mod!! Cherped her going 40 the other day!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ivan @ Southwest Speed

I've seen and heard of Permagrin>reduction in permagrin>ICEolator>renewed Permagrin>Vararam>Black Hole....

Just saying.

Great luck to you and let us know if you need any assistance.
Ivan @ Southwest Speed

ewynn9 · 10-21-2013, 09:40 PM

Just thought I'd update.

Got everything installed last Friday. Took me and a friend about 3 hours, 30-45 minutes of that was dedicated to those damn back bolts because I refused to pay $20 for a single 13mm flex wrench.

I had to zip tie the hose with the baffle to something solid because I didn't like that it just hung there with no support. Hopefully I can figure out a more permanent solution.

As for the permagrin....oh my god. Once I hit 3000rpm, she roars to life. Pulls much harder in the mid range, all the way up to 6000ish. I also noticed a slight increase in mpg at higher speeds.

09-18-2013, 11:59 AM	#2
pgustavson Stop writing "vert", ffs! Drives: 2011 2LT Convertible Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Gambrills, MD Posts: 1,341 View My Garage	I don't believe there is a correct order. I don't recall the thread you mentioned, and I thought I followed the Black Ice-olator release fairly closely. Anyway, if you are concerned about issues, then by all means do them one-at-a-time. Either order would be fine. I did my Vararam and PTB together, and then later did the ported IM and Black Ice-olator at the same time. No issues whatsoever. EDIT: However, I will say that I read that the Vararam install seemed easier (or there was improved fitment) after the Ice-olator was installed. __________________ Vararam \| Vmax Ported TB \| Ported IM \| Vmax Black ICE-olator Last edited by pgustavson; 09-18-2013 at 12:05 PM. Reason: add'l comment...

09-18-2013, 12:40 PM	#3
KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,943	I really can't see how it would matter. I had my Vararam first, and added the black Ice later once it became available. No issues here. __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

09-19-2013, 11:22 AM	#6
ewynn9 Drives: IOM 1LT/RS Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: McKinney TX Posts: 596	Sounds good to me. Both are on the way. I'll do the fuse pull as well that I've read in a few other ice-olator threads. __________________

10-21-2013, 09:40 PM	#12
ewynn9 Drives: IOM 1LT/RS Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: McKinney TX Posts: 596	Just thought I'd update. Got everything installed last Friday. Took me and a friend about 3 hours, 30-45 minutes of that was dedicated to those damn back bolts because I refused to pay $20 for a single 13mm flex wrench. I had to zip tie the hose with the baffle to something solid because I didn't like that it just hung there with no support. Hopefully I can figure out a more permanent solution. As for the permagrin....oh my god. Once I hit 3000rpm, she roars to life. Pulls much harder in the mid range, all the way up to 6000ish. I also noticed a slight increase in mpg at higher speeds. __________________

09-18-2013, 09:56 AM	#1
ewynn9 Drives: IOM 1LT/RS Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: McKinney TX Posts: 596	Vararam and Ice-olator installs (yes i searched) I know I've seen in mentioned on here before when the Ice-olator first came out but I can't seem to find the post. I seem to remember someone saying that when they installed both the Vararam and the Ice-olator at the same time, it had an adverse affect. Another posted did the same thing but installed the Ice-olator first and allowed the car to relearn after roughly 100 miles and then installed the vararam. They got the results that they were supposed to get. Is the correct way Ice-olator -> relearn -> vararam -> increased perma grin? __________________

09-18-2013, 04:36 PM	#5
Sikoriko Drives: 2011 V6 IOM Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,385 View My Garage	It shouldn't matter, but yes the grin will be last to self/installed

09-24-2013, 02:05 PM	#10
Ivan @ Southwest Speed Drives: '15 Z06, '01 NBM SS, '97 SS Join Date: May 2009 Location: Rio Rancho, NM Posts: 12,170	I've seen and heard of Permagrin>reduction in permagrin>ICEolator>renewed Permagrin>Vararam>Black Hole.... Just saying. Great luck to you and let us know if you need any assistance. Ivan @ Southwest Speed