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Old 05-04-2014, 11:04 PM   #43
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Unless someone was doing a burnout in the background, Al O. said call him if a dealer didn't honor a stock car that was used at the track. That were the words I'm pretty sure I heard at the revel yesterday at the Fest. I'm sure someone can back me up or correct me.
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Old 05-05-2014, 05:59 AM   #44
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After having a zl1 and a 1le im almost sure the warranty is good as long as youre not winning a cash prize. Car is covered under warranty unless in a paid competition
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Old 05-05-2014, 08:07 AM   #45
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After having a zl1 and a 1le im almost sure the warranty is good as long as youre not winning a cash prize. Car is covered under warranty unless in a paid competition
So essentially in the cryptic wording from both Ford and GM.

Tracking is ok, tracking = seeing what your car is capable of, what you are capable of.

Racing is bad, racing = getting rewarded for winning.

I do not know how road racing events work, but every drag event I have registered in has had a cash prize
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Old 05-05-2014, 08:13 AM   #46
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So essentially in the cryptic wording from both Ford and GM.

Tracking is ok, tracking = seeing what your car is capable of, what you are capable of.

Racing is bad, racing = getting rewarded for winning.

I do not know how road racing events work, but every drag event I have registered in has had a cash prize
Donate your winnings to your favorite charity-GM!!! Always need more parts. lol!
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After having a zl1 and a 1le im almost sure the warranty is good as long as youre not winning a cash prize. Car is covered under warranty unless in a paid competition

Z/28 100% has a track warranty.
ZL1 100% has a track warranty.

Both have that warranty confirmed numerous times by GM and reviews done of the cars.

The 1LE does not appear to have it. I know this is going to butt-hurt some 1LE owners but the 1LE is not a specific model but a "track pack" on the SS. So SS warranty rules apply and the SS most definitely does not have a track warranty. (If it did then why was the track warranty such a big deal when the ZL1 released?) Also show one piece of documentation that it specifically has a track warranty that is provided by GM. I have looked and there is none. The argument that it was designed for the track therefore has a track warranty is bogus. The Boss 302 LS was very much a track car but no track warranty.

If I owned a 1LE I would not assume it has a track warranty until GM officially put that warranty in writing. That could be a very expensive assumption.


Proof

ZL1 track warranty links and press releases.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=wiQtgJDqWMs#!

http://www.teamshelby.com/forums/ind...d-do-the-same/

http://jalopnik.com/5878012/chevys-a...ing-powerpoint

http://cars.about.com/od/chevrolet/f...Zl1-Review.htm

Z/28 track warranty links and press releases.

http://blog.homewoodchevy.com/the-20...rack-warranty/

http://www.torquenews.com/106/warran...let-camaro-z28

1LE google search for track warranty.

https://www.google.com/#q=1le+track+warranty

http://www.roadandtrack.com/cm/roada...dee8badcbe.pdf

http://www.cavauto.com/wp-content/up...aro-SS-1LE.pdf

Nothing but people on this site talking about if it has one. No press or official notification. That to me equals no track warranty.
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and I thought Ford had cryptic wording, just looked at the 14 Camaro's owners manual. There is a section that says:

"Track events or competitve driving may affect vehicle warranty. See warranty manual before using vehicle for racing or other competitive driving" then it goes on how to tell you to get the car ready for racing lol.

I googled Camaro warranty manual but couldnt find it. If i have time later I will look through the 14' camaro owners manual again but cant find any warranty info in it.
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Z/28 100% has a track warranty.
ZL1 100% has a track warranty.

Both have that warranty confirmed numerous times by GM and reviews done of the cars.

The 1LE does not appear to have it. I know this is going to butt-hurt some 1LE owners but the 1LE is not a specific model but a "track pack" on the SS. So SS warranty rules apply and the SS most definitely does not have a track warranty. (If it did then why was the track warranty such a big deal when the ZL1 released?) Also show one piece of documentation that it specifically has a track warranty that is provided by GM. I have looked and there is none. The argument that it was designed for the track therefore has a track warranty is bogus. The Boss 302 LS was very much a track car but no track warranty.

If I owned a 1LE I would not assume it has a track warranty until GM officially put that warranty in writing. That could be a very expensive assumption.


Proof

ZL1 track warranty links and press releases.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=wiQtgJDqWMs#!

http://www.teamshelby.com/forums/ind...d-do-the-same/

http://jalopnik.com/5878012/chevys-a...ing-powerpoint

http://cars.about.com/od/chevrolet/f...Zl1-Review.htm

Z/28 track warranty links and press releases.

http://blog.homewoodchevy.com/the-20...rack-warranty/

http://www.torquenews.com/106/warran...let-camaro-z28

1LE google search for track warranty.

https://www.google.com/#q=1le+track+warranty

http://www.roadandtrack.com/cm/roada...dee8badcbe.pdf

http://www.cavauto.com/wp-content/up...aro-SS-1LE.pdf

Nothing but people on this site talking about if it has one. No press or official notification. That to me equals no track warranty.
Thanks for your time in putting those links together.

Every engineer I spoke with this past weekend lumped the 1LE-equipped SS's into the "track capable" category with the ZL1 and Z/28. Bear in mind, they advertise that it neatly qualifies for use in SCCA as it is. It passed the 24-hr test, and all of the parts used on that car are improvements necessary to survive (and thrive) out on a track. It's included as far as they're concerned.

People:

If you take your UNMODIFIED 1LE, ZL1, or Z/28 to a track....and something mechanical breaks...you may bring it to your dealer and expect warranty coverage. If they deny you, and you haven't tried to defraud the dealer...ask to create a customer service case, and get the field teams involved. At that point, Detroit is made aware, and the Camaro team WILL honor their word in terms of what they have built these cars to do.

However....if you've tuned the car...or installed aftermarket heads/cam....if you've crunched into a barrier, or another car....or if you've missed a shift and spun to 8000 rpms or something crazy....don't expect them to pay for YOUR mistakes.

You'll note, hopefully, that the owners manual has an entire subsection dedicated to tips to prepare your vehicle for track use...including brake fluid recommendations, brake burnishing, how to use launch control, etc...You'll also note that they never do explicitly say that performance driving or racetrack events "WILL" void your warranty. They use the word "MAY"...and that is because words mean things to lawyers. By participating in a Track event...you are exposing your vehicle to risks that it otherwise might not be...like barriers, driver error, and other cars perhaps. Those things MAY break you car...and that MAY not be covered under warranty...

Now.....take a look in a Ford Mustang's owner manual to read how a company tells you NOT to race your car, or they'll outright VOID your warranty.......

Also, remember....not all dealers are clear on this type of confidence and coverage in performance vehicles. Service techs are taught to look for and find any possible attempt at fraud...racing has historically been on that list. That's not the case anymore, and many service departments aren't adjusting to "the new rule". Use the proper channels to ensure you get covered when you're in the right.

Just don't expect them to pay for any damage that is rightfully your fault.

That's what ALLLLL this boils down to. And either you trust the Camaro Team's word...or you don't.

And for what it's worth...I don't post messages nearly this confident on a confusing topic unless I'm 100% sure of what I'm writing.
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All fine and good. Until the Dealer says no and you have to the deal with them. And that is the problem. It lies between dealers and Chevy and the dealers are not all in line with this. That is what was told some of us in discussion at the Fest. They advised the 1le guy to make a customer complaint and he should see action. They vent told him to mention names and the discussion held at the Fest. I am no longer upset with Chevy rather it is a dealer to dealer ordeal. Thanks for everyone's feedback.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:30 PM   #51
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If the car was unmodified, then how did the dealer know the car was "tracked"? Some things should just go unsaid... "I am bringing in my ss/1le today because of transmission issues to be fixed under the warranty. Here are my service records." Nothing else has to be said...

Legally the warranty can't be voided due to the dealer or GM suspecting it was raced. They must prove it was raced to be voided under the warranty limitations set by GM's warranty policy OR that it has been modified which directly caused the issue. It simply is the law. The dealer can say what they want and most people don't put up a fight but the law is the law and in the end (although with more money in lawyers than it is worth) the law will set things straight.

If you walk into the dealer and tell them it was raced (regardless of any advertising then you voided your own warranty as per. the GM warranty terms). Just because the car was advertised as being track ready or capable doesn't mean they will warranty it or even have to warranty it for track use. (In fact the warranty spells this out in simple words).

I suspect we are not hearing the whole story here. There must be other facts about the dealer or the owner that we have not been told.

No factory warranty should be required to keep your "race" car in working order and substitute for your repair and maintenance budget and/or serve as a free pit crew... What is fair is fair, and that just isn't it (despite many people doing this very thing).

Not sure how the corporate bashing is relevant to this topic but it sure is popular with people these days in the political world...

Hope your friend can get things worked out and I wish him the best of luck!
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If the car was unmodified, then how did the dealer know the car was "tracked"? Some things should just go unsaid... "I am bringing in my ss/1le today because of transmission issues to be fixed under the warranty. Here are my service records." Nothing else has to be said...

Legally the warranty can't be voided due to the dealer or GM suspecting it was raced. They must prove it was raced to be voided under the warranty limitations set by GM's warranty policy OR that it has been modified which directly caused the issue. It simply is the law. The dealer can say what they want and most people don't put up a fight but the law is the law and in the end (although with more money in lawyers than it is worth) the law will set things straight.

If you walk into the dealer and tell them it was raced (regardless of any advertising then you voided your own warranty as per. the GM warranty terms). Just because the car was advertised as being track ready or capable doesn't mean they will warranty it or even have to warranty it for track use. (In fact the warranty spells this out in simple words).

I suspect we are not hearing the whole story here. There must be other facts about the dealer or the owner that we have not been told.

No factory warranty should be required to keep your "race" car in working order and substitute for your repair and maintenance budget and/or serve as a free pit crew... What is fair is fair, and that just isn't it (despite many people doing this very thing).

Not sure how the corporate bashing is relevant to this topic but it sure is popular with people these days in the political world...

Hope your friend can get things worked out and I wish him the best of luck!

What you said. Drop the car off at the dealer and hand them the keys. If the car is stock, they should fix it without issue.
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All fine and good. Until the Dealer says no and you have to the deal with them. And that is the problem. It lies between dealers and Chevy and the dealers are not all in line with this. That is what was told some of us in discussion at the Fest. They advised the 1le guy to make a customer complaint and he should see action. They vent told him to mention names and the discussion held at the Fest. I am no longer upset with Chevy rather it is a dealer to dealer ordeal. Thanks for everyone's feedback.
That's exactly right. The only thing I think Chevy kinda dropped the ball on was/is ensuring dealers are informed, and that customers have a clear "appeals" process if they have to deal with an uninformed service department.
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What you said. Drop the car off at the dealer and hand them the keys. If the car is stock, they should fix it without issue.
I would think so! Not sure we are hearing the whole story in this case.
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I am a lawyer and have had some experience with dealers suspecting me of doing things to and with my previous non-GM car(s) that would have violated the warranty. One time, the dealer flew an engineer in from Germany to inspect my vehicle; he could find no concrete evidence to support their suspicions. Although my service profile may have been "flagged" in their computer system, there was no interruption in warranty coverage.

What we should all take away from this thread is that people should limit the amount of information given when a car is taken for service, if that information could lead to issues with warranty.

Some people even remove their license plates before entering events (in case someone is out there with a camera) and avoid posting too much information on forums like this and/or you-tube...
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