07-22-2008, 03:29 PM | #1 |
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Camaro does the Nurburgring test track in 8:20
From Edmunds Inside Line.............but it's only 4 seconds faster than a Subraru Impreza!!!!
Doug Houlihan, GM's chief engineer for global rear-wheel-drive vehicles (the architecture underneath the Camaro, the Pontiac G8 and all that blowsy, big-V8 Holden stuff from Australia, where the platform originates), coughed it right up: A Camaro SS ran the Nürburgring in 8:20. A quick scan of an authoritative listing (it definitely looks authoritative, anyway) of Nürburgring lap times at supercars.net shows cars posting a lap time of 8:20 include the E36-generation BMW M3 in 1999, the Porsche 911 GT3 (993 generation) in the same year driven by 'Ring ace Walter Roehrl and stuff like the Audi RS6 in 2001. For a little extra perspective on that 8:20 lap time, GM recently boasted the coming '09 Corvette ZR1 did it in 7:26.4. "We learned a few things," from the 'Ring session, says Houlihan, which led the Camaro development team to tire supplier Pirelli for some subtle changes that he says fine-tuned steering response and turn-in, and also resulted in some nitty-gritty tweaks for suspension settings — all of which will further improve the Camaro's on-road handling. Houlihan also said all Camaros — V8 or V6 — will feature the best StabiliTrak stability control system GM can offer; the SS enjoys essentially the software from the Corvette's magnificent Active Handling system that we insist remains the world standard in performance-oriented stability control. The Camaro SS stability control will have a track mode, a performance mode and a setting that fully disables stability and traction control. Stability/traction control for all Camaros can be fully disabled, but Camaro SSs with the six-speed manual also get a launch control feature. Houlihan also said the 2010 Camaro's coefficient of drag is an OK, but unremarkable 0.35 for the SS and 0.36 for the LS/LT V6 models. Ed Welburn, GM's vice president of global design, said it's tough to get super-slippery aero numbers for cars with full-width grilles and recessed headlights — design cues Welburn and his styling team insisted on, obviously, to deliver on the 2010 Camaro's retro promise. We whined the RS appearance package that adds high-intensity discharge, "halo ring" headlamps, unique tail lamps, a rear spoiler and 20-inch wheels makes it almost impossible to distinguish a V8-packing Camaro from a V6 job. But for those of you who can spot the difference of an inch, Houlihan says there's one giveaway: the exhaust tips for the Camaro SS, which is V8 only, are 96mm (3.7 inches) in diameter. But LT Camaros (standard 3.6-liter V6) — even with the RS package — have exhaust tips that are just 3 inches in diameter. What this means to you: The Nürburgring number proves even if it's a little heavy, a Camaro SS can run with some pretty exclusive company. And with 300 horsepower, the Camaro V6 doesn't exactly earn the "secretary car" stereotype, either. — Bill Visnic, Senior Editor, Edmunds AutoObserver |
07-22-2008, 03:36 PM | #2 |
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I'd love to see the numbers on the v6. But I admit theres probably not much chance of that.
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07-22-2008, 03:45 PM | #3 |
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whats the mustang run at Nürburgring?
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07-22-2008, 03:52 PM | #4 |
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^^^ that would def. be something worth looking up!
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07-22-2008, 03:56 PM | #5 |
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My guess is the GT, isn't too close to that time. GT500??? Different story.
I don't think Ford tests there. They may not have numbers for the Ring
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8:20 is pretty good. The CTS-V with the LSA cracked into the 7:59's...which was incredible. If you take into account the power to weight ratio of the SS in comparison, 8:20 is about right.
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Thanks, now where is my grain of salt? No but I would like to know the official times for the Camaro and it's rivals.
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I guess this is good, I say that because I wish I could see more cars that got around that time.
Yeah, what does the Mustang GT do there?
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07-22-2008, 04:19 PM | #10 |
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But that is asking alot considering most super-cars are doing high 7's
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07-22-2008, 04:22 PM | #11 |
only out did the cobalt ss by 2 seconds :( thats disapointing, shows how well the cobalt handles. i'm glad i have one even though its the supercharged one, i'm sure it got similar time. but camaro handling as good as an e46 m3 is sweet.
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07-22-2008, 04:23 PM | #12 |
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I think around 8 would make since for the top dog, but 8:20 is starting to look slow for the v8 - the Cobalt SS TC did it in 8:22 and it does 0-60 in 5.7 seconds. On 89 octane I'd expect the v6 to hit 60 in 5.5 or so (the caddy does it in 6 flat on 89, if I remember correctly) which would make sense for those times. For the v8 it seems a bit slow.
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07-22-2008, 04:26 PM | #13 |
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8:22.85 147.49 km/h -- Chevrolet Cobalt SS, 260 PS/1349 kg, company test driver John Heinricy
8:31.--- 145.13 km/h -- 2006 CADILLAC STS-V, 440PS/1948 kg, 8:43.52 - 141.55 km/h -- Chevrolet HHR SS, 260 PS/1488 kg (Windng Road 02/08) 8:51* -- 139.66 km/h -- Ford Focus ST, 225 PS/1330 kg (sport auto 09/05) (*mfr.) cars within 2 seconds... 8:18 --- 149.92 km/h -- BMW Z8, 400PS/1651 kg (sport auto 08/00) 8:18 --- 149.92 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition, 344 PS (sport auto 09/2003) 8:18 --- 149.92 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 06/97) 8:18 --- 149.92 km/h -- Maserati GranSport, 400 PS/1672 kg (sport auto 09/05) 8:20 --- 148.32 km/h -- Audi RS6, 400 PS/ 1815 kg (sport auto 03/01) 8:20 --- 148.32 km/h -- BMW M3 E36, 321 PS (Autocar magazine 1997) 8:20 --- 148.32 km/h -- 2008 Honda NSX, 500 PS/??? kg, http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/225863/ 8:20 --- 148.32 km/h -- Porche 993 GT3, Walter Roehrl (Car magazine 10/99) 8:22 --- 147.75 km/h -- BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00) 8:22 --- 147.75 km/h -- BMW M Coupe, 321 PS/1445 kg (sport auto 10/98) 8:22 --- 147.75 km/h -- Mercedes-Benz C55 (sport auto07/2004) 8:22.38 147.62 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R32 GT-R (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion") http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ua_wcOnPkxk The Camaro is in good company
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07-22-2008, 04:32 PM | #14 |
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I'm betting they'll take the Camaro back after they make some changes...
My guess is it will be closer to 8 flat than 8:20.
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