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MrCool · 07-02-2009, 09:19 PM

Hey Guys,
I got to thinking about something:
In present day, for a lot of people they enjoy certain aspects about their car. A couple, for example, to name would be the exhaust sound, the acceloration (0-60 time), ect.

How do you guys think that would change?

For me, I can't imagine enjoying the sound of a loud electric motor. Do you think people's tastes will change over time? Maby they will be forced to change what they enjoy due to disasterous things such as the depletion of oil?

Your thoughts?

len56 · 07-02-2009, 09:23 PM

hydrogen combustion is better, cause it packs even more punch then gas, and keeps the noise

it's zero emissions to of course

MrCool · 07-02-2009, 09:55 PM

Hydrogen combustion?

Wow, I've never heard of that. That's something to google.

MrCool · 07-02-2009, 10:14 PM

Wow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroge...engine_vehicle

Emissions:
2H2 + O2 = 2H2O

With Nitrogen:
H2 + O2 + N2 = H2O + N2 + NOx

Nitrogen adds more horsepower?

That's amazing how there is no emissions.

I definitely learned something.

1320junkie · 07-02-2009, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrCool

Wow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroge...engine_vehicle

Emissions:
2H2 + O2 = 2H2O

With Nitrogen:
H2 + O2 + N2 = H2O + N2 + NOx

Nitrogen adds more horsepower?

That's amazing how there is no emissions.

I definitely learned something.

Cooler air equals more power

FNKNSTN · 07-02-2009, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrCool

Hey Guys,
I got to thinking about something:
In present day, for a lot of people they enjoy certain aspects about their car. A couple, for example, to name would be the exhaust sound, the acceloration (0-60 time), ect.

How do you guys think that would change?

For me, I can't imagine enjoying the sound of a loud electric motor. Do you think people's tastes will change over time? Maby they will be forced to change what they enjoy due to disasterous things such as the depletion of oil?

Your thoughts?

Electric motors put out a LOT of torque.

Make high a performance electric truck... that seats 4.... gets 400 miles per charge... fully re-charges in an hour or less... and has an on-board gas powered generator... I'll buy it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrCool

Hydrogen combustion?

Wow, I've never heard of that. That's something to google.

Combustion = Burning

What do you think all this talk has been about for the past 10 years when it comes to Hydrogen?

MrCool · 07-02-2009, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FNKNSTN

What do you think all this talk has been about for the past 10 years when it comes to Hydrogen?

When they talked about hydrogen I always thought that involved some sort of battery. I never heard of them "combusting" hydrogen before. Oh well...

I found this though:
http://avt.inel.gov/hydrogen.html

MrCool · 07-02-2009, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrCool

...some sort of battery...

"Fuel cell" I think is the term I was thinking of...

ryftz · 07-03-2009, 12:14 PM

this is what combusting hydrogen looks like. now just imagine it in a car

drivingincamaro · 07-03-2009, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryftz

this is what combusting hydrogen looks like. now just imagine it in a car

it was a mix of the paint and the hydrogen haven't you seen Mythbutsters?

Number 3 · 07-03-2009, 01:45 PM

BMW has a 7 Series that runs on Hydrogen. Generally an ICE.

GM and Honda have used hydrogen to fuel a Fuel Cell which generates electricity to power the vehicle. GM has over 100 Fuel Cell Equinox (what's plural for Equinox? Equinoxes? Equinoxi?) running around in California. Honda has the Clarity.

The problem with Hydrogen is it is normally in gaseous state. To carry enough Hydrogen around to have any kind of range you have to have tanks that store the Hydrogen at very high pressures. Upwards of 10,000 psi.

Although clean, it is expensive to create the Hydrogen and also the infrastructure. Also to fill a tank to 10,000 psi takes some time.

No easy feat yet.

TheClassicCarKid · 07-03-2009, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Number 3

BMW has a 7 Series that runs on Hydrogen. Generally an ICE.

GM and Honda have used hydrogen to fuel a Fuel Cell which generates electricity to power the vehicle. GM has over 100 Fuel Cell Equinox (what's plural for Equinox? Equinoxes? Equinoxi?) running around in California. Honda has the Clarity.

The problem with Hydrogen is it is normally in gaseous state. To carry enough Hydrogen around to have any kind of range you have to have tanks that store the Hydrogen at very high pressures. Upwards of 10,000 psi.

Although clean, it is expensive to create the Hydrogen and also the infrastructure. Also to fill a tank to 10,000 psi takes some time.

No easy feat yet.

the clarity is natural gas though isn't it?

Vash · 07-03-2009, 02:41 PM

It's already here.. the Tesla..

len56 · 07-03-2009, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Number 3

BMW has a 7 Series that runs on Hydrogen. Generally an ICE.

GM and Honda have used hydrogen to fuel a Fuel Cell which generates electricity to power the vehicle. GM has over 100 Fuel Cell Equinox (what's plural for Equinox? Equinoxes? Equinoxi?) running around in California. Honda has the Clarity.

The problem with Hydrogen is it is normally in gaseous state. To carry enough Hydrogen around to have any kind of range you have to have tanks that store the Hydrogen at very high pressures. Upwards of 10,000 psi.

Although clean, it is expensive to create the Hydrogen and also the infrastructure. Also to fill a tank to 10,000 psi takes some time.

No easy feat yet.

Fuel Cell is electric, which is kind of boring...

Yes, it's explosive, but the moment it comes into contact with air, it makes water...very boring and un-explosive. Crash-venting system?

BMW's hydrogen tank was tested by shooting rifle rounds at it... should withhold crash damage until the tank is vented with air

Of course, that's a luxury BMW... so on a 2025 honda civic... they're going to need a faster venting system

07-02-2009, 09:19 PM	#1
MrCool Drives: '95 Z28 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Posts: 277	Muscle Cars in the Future? Hey Guys, I got to thinking about something: In present day, for a lot of people they enjoy certain aspects about their car. A couple, for example, to name would be the exhaust sound, the acceloration (0-60 time), ect. How do you guys think that would change? For me, I can't imagine enjoying the sound of a loud electric motor. Do you think people's tastes will change over time? Maby they will be forced to change what they enjoy due to disasterous things such as the depletion of oil? Your thoughts? __________________ 1995 LT1 Z28, "Bright Teal Metallic", Stock

07-02-2009, 09:55 PM	#3
MrCool Drives: '95 Z28 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Posts: 277	Hydrogen combustion? Wow, I've never heard of that. That's something to google. __________________ 1995 LT1 Z28, "Bright Teal Metallic", Stock

07-02-2009, 10:14 PM	#4
MrCool Drives: '95 Z28 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Posts: 277	Wow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroge...engine_vehicle Emissions: 2H2 + O2 = 2H2O With Nitrogen: H2 + O2 + N2 = H2O + N2 + NOx Nitrogen adds more horsepower? That's amazing how there is no emissions. I definitely learned something. __________________ 1995 LT1 Z28, "Bright Teal Metallic", Stock

07-03-2009, 12:14 PM	#9
ryftz Gearhead Drives: MS3 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 27	this is what combusting hydrogen looks like. now just imagine it in a car __________________ -sig by Moto-Camaro

07-03-2009, 01:45 PM	#11
Number 3 Hail to the King baby! Drives: '19 XT4 2.0T & '22 VW Atlas 2.0T Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 12,174 View My Garage	BMW has a 7 Series that runs on Hydrogen. Generally an ICE. GM and Honda have used hydrogen to fuel a Fuel Cell which generates electricity to power the vehicle. GM has over 100 Fuel Cell Equinox (what's plural for Equinox? Equinoxes? Equinoxi?) running around in California. Honda has the Clarity. The problem with Hydrogen is it is normally in gaseous state. To carry enough Hydrogen around to have any kind of range you have to have tanks that store the Hydrogen at very high pressures. Upwards of 10,000 psi. Although clean, it is expensive to create the Hydrogen and also the infrastructure. Also to fill a tank to 10,000 psi takes some time. No easy feat yet. __________________ "Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley

07-02-2009, 09:23 PM	#2
len56 Drives: 2010, or 2011 Yellow Camaro2LT Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 337	hydrogen combustion is better, cause it packs even more punch then gas, and keeps the noise it's zero emissions to of course

07-03-2009, 02:41 PM	#13
Vash Drives: 00 Blazer Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 5,104	It's already here.. the Tesla..

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