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12-28-2009, 02:20 PM | #30 |
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Every time you ADD a new potential part, you have to go through validation/certification...and possibly even crash testing, depending on the parts/system affected. Which means time and expen$e...
"Why GM"? Warranty...and the wish for most NOT to "mess" with their new car... Heavy duty mechanical unfits on Brand New cars is clearly NOT the majority's wish. The Brembos are already "validated/certified". Bars and bushings are do-able, quickly. Perhaps springs, too, although a "drop" should NOT be expected (crash testing of new bumper heights!). The aftermarket already has THIS item...in spades. Combined with the RS 20s on an LS/LT with it's lower curb weight, it's "1967" all over again (the original Z28, NOT the quickest/fastest, but certainly THE most "drivable"!)! |
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That information was widely available on the internet back then and still is now. There was nothing back door about it.
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12-28-2009, 02:42 PM | #33 | |
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As well I don't understand the fascination (in this post and others) with making the 1LE package have an "LS Body". The body is identical aside from the plastic nose and tiny spoiler that I doubt weighs more than an ounce less. Its not like the past where you'd have some sort of substantial weight savings by cutting out the chrome bits and body parts. Theres nothing to cut. Suffice it to say IF GM ever did make a 1LE package it would have an SS nose/spoiler as they are much more about brand identification today and they would want the V8 car to be identified by its looks no matter what. As for police packages, for their interceptor cars they don't delete the console, and on all cars they definitely don't delete the radio. I know tons of cops, and all of em enjoy listening to the radio during the day....
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12-28-2009, 02:51 PM | #34 |
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1LE availability, and knowledge of it, by '98 was reasonably widespread, IF your Dealer/representative took the time to look in the Vehicle Order Guide. Not many Dealers stocked 'em, though, so if your local sales guy/gal was unwilling/unable to "search", to "him/her" it would be "rare" or "difficult to get". But it was in the VOG.
Earlier in the Gen4's life, 1LE was VERY difficult to get. In '95, it took a personal letter to GM Canada's President Maureen Kempston-Darkes to get a 1LE Formula built for a client...which turned out to be one of only TWO built that year, making it THE rarest Gen4 RPO F-car ever built... Last edited by LOWDOWN; 12-28-2009 at 03:09 PM. |
12-28-2009, 03:07 PM | #35 |
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The "fascination" with V6 cars, as mentioned earlier in this thread, comes from GM's NEED to better promote V6 sales...
A "modern" 1LE based on the V6 would answer the true heritage question/example: 1967 Z28s were neither the quickest nor fastest Model offered...but were DEFINITELY THE MOST "fun" to actually drive. THAT was the car that the "legend" was created from... It was a "basic" car with a rev-happy-but-relatively-torqueless engine and better brakes/handling, for a "budget" price. Something an LS/LT w/RS and Brembos/bars would suitably provide, inexpen$ively. Fuel savings and insurance rates would "seal the deal"... |
12-28-2009, 03:43 PM | #36 | |
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JMO a 1SS stripped down would make an excellent start to a 1LE, it would retain the brand identification of the V8 with the SS nose, but be lighter than all and therefore a great base to start from.... You can't get away from the insurance rates, the car would still be rated based ont he fact theres a V8 under the hood. Insurance companies are far wiser than they were many years ago.
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12-28-2009, 04:09 PM | #37 |
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The LS/LT, like the original Z28, WEIGHS LESS than the SS without all the "complicated/expe$ive" Production Line deletes...
So put the "missing items" on the cheapest lightest Camaro (which is what Piggins did in '67 on the original Z28), and make it the ultimate handling Production Camaro because of its lighter Curb Weight (which is what Piggins ALSO did in '67). A 100lbs is 100lbs... Add your own 91-octane, 350hp w/CAI and exhaust (IF the Factory won't do it for you as part of this "package"...), and you'd have a quick nimble canyon-carver...just like a '67 Z28... A "1LE 350" will sell by the TRUCKLOAD...EVERYWHERE! When you get into A/C-A31-AG1 deletes, you actually end up INCREASING the price of the end Product, and it's manufacturing "complexity". Porsche has made a small fortune with their "Club Sport" (or whatever name they choose to use) packages by charging more for less... Insurance $avings accrue because a V6 rates a lower premium that a V8...and that's VERY significant to the "Under 25/Male" segment, the Target Market for this lil darlin'... A super-handling, mega-power SS is, if I'm NOT mistaken, where the reconstituted Z28 will reside...which is robbing from Gen4 "heritage", NOT the Gen1s the car was "styled" from... Last edited by LOWDOWN; 12-28-2009 at 04:28 PM. |
12-28-2009, 05:33 PM | #38 | |
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Back in the day the lower V6 models had less equipment, options, chrome etc, which made a stripper V8 car a novelty as you just plain couldn't buy it. Thats just not the case today, a 1SS and 1LT are identical aside from the obvious shape of the nose (which probably weighs the same) and the wheels, suspension, engine and brakes, all of which would be added to a "1LE" package to make it a performance car. * almost forgot we've established from fbodfather the engine cradle on a V6 frame vs a V8 frame has different mounting points, so you couldn't even install a V8 engine in there anyway. As I said they are identical cars so this makes no sense anyway.
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12-28-2009, 05:55 PM | #39 |
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V6 ENGINE WEIGHS LESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm NOT talking about a V8-powered car...and I THOUGHT that was fairly obvious...but apparently NOT... A V6 CAR!!! Which happens to weigh less...costs less to insure...gets better mpgs...costs less to purchase and pay for...and helps to Market-Drive the V6 Models...which Camaro/GM desperately needs... instead of floggin' 'em to Rent-a-Wreck fleets, only to eventually undercut the New Car Department with "distressed merchandise" from the Used car lots... As stated, the "original" Z28s were NOT the quickest/fastest, but they WERE the most fun...and so would this "special" V6... Read it again...V6! NOW does it make sense?! |
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12-28-2009, 11:42 PM | #41 | |
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As well if you were making a 1LE which was a factory "race car" option making it a V6 would be nothing short of useless as there is no way you could lighten it enough to make it competitive in anything. Now if it was turboed like the one in your profile pic (the Leno car) then we are talking. Unfortunately this will never happen. The bottom line is you were talking about something completely different than the point of the thread which was a lightweight weekend racer V8 option, the 1LE.
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