Inside Line: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 vs. 2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Comparison

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Long Carbine

Let me rephrase that, when MM&FF and their GM sister publication get their hands on a GT500 and ZL1 we will see different results such as the test these two mags did on a 2003 Cobra and a 2002 SS years ago that the Terminator terminated.

The ZL1 did not pull the Boss at VIR because it was heat soaked. It was down 100 HP after the first couple of turns.

We'll see. This video was a crock.

Just amazing...

[Long Carbine]

Originally Posted by DanSS24

nuff said

Um, actually, no.

And I've been into Cobras since 1999 and unless GM drivers attitudes just changed overnight, most would give up handling for 600 rwhp and hte potential to make 700, RELIABLY. The pistons in the ZL1 will never take the boost and punishment the pistons in the GT500 will take.

That's a fact.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Long Carbine

I didn't watch the video but I have read some of what is in the video.

Exactly what results did they aquire?

Did they put both the cars on a road course with equal drivers?

I'll wait from MM&FF to run both to pass judgement. I think the results will be different.

Question.. What is MM and FF?

[Long Carbine]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Just amazing...

You will soon find out.

[Long Carbine]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

Question.. What is MM and FF?

Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine. The editors who can drive and will do a fair test between the two.

Not some ricer mag who's editors couldn't handle an 80 year old woman driver in western, NC.

[DanSS24]

Originally Posted by HpJunkie69

Basically yes i am, and heres the thing. They DONT have any proof of their claims either! They probably have a hundred thousand dollars worth of camera and testing equipment yet not a single frame of the ZL1 showing the Shelby its tail lights on a "backroad". This test is a joke at best. Not surprising coming from inside line. A joke just like their notoriously high dyno numbers they publish. Im not a huge fan of mag comparisions but at least MT and CD rent a real track,hook up timing gear, and film the results. Call me crazy for expecting that over the backroad test without any PROOF.

probably... So you're guessing.
not a single frame of the ZL1 showing the Shelby its tail lights on a "backroad"...It will happen.
Not surprising coming from inside line...you know this, how?
Call me crazy for expecting that over the backroad test without any PROOF....You're crazy

Bench racing is fun isn't it? In the end, just choose which car you want, it's your choice. If you want neither, i'm sure someone will buy it.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Long Carbine

Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine. The editors who can drive and will do a fair test between the two.

Not some ricer mag who's editors couldn't handle an 80 year old woman driver in western, NC.

This is the gift that keeps on giving.

[oortcloud]

Originally Posted by Long Carbine

Let me rephrase that, when MM&FF and their GM sister publication get their hands on a GT500 and ZL1 we will see different results such as the test these two mags did on a 2003 Cobra and a 2002 SS years ago that the Terminator terminated.

The ZL1 did not pull the Boss at VIR because it was heat soaked. It was down 100 HP after the first couple of turns.

We'll see. This video was a crock.

What video are you talking about?

And I have another question since you seem to be wise in all things car. If a ZL1 and GT500 crash in the forest when no one is around (and both drivers perish), does it make any sound?

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Long Carbine

Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine. The editors who can drive and will do a fair test between the two.

Not some ricer mag who's editors couldn't handle an 80 year old woman driver in western, NC.

LOL Do you really think you will be able to use anything from them on this site as Gospel? Good Luck.
It would be like me posting a test from Super Chevy Mag on a Ford Site. You will be laughed at.

[DanSS24]

Originally Posted by Tn4thGen

So will there be no upgrades to the 2013 ZL1? I know they are bringing in the convertable but come on I was expecting some horsepower changes or something. We are comparing a 2012 car to a 2013 car. Yes I know they both came out around the same time but still compare the ZL1 to a 12 GT500 and there is no comparison. I was hopping Chevy would come back with higher HP numbers for the 2013 ZL1 to one up Ford

Too soon for a first year production ZL1...plus the next gen Camaro will be on a different platform. Chevy did comparisons or testing with the 2012 ZL1 to the 2012 GT500. Mags will most likely compare the 2013 ZL1 to the 2013 GT500 and more bench racing will happen. Outcome still the same though, close.

[DanSS24]

Originally Posted by Long Carbine

Um, actually, no.

And I've been into Cobras since 1999 and unless GM drivers attitudes just changed overnight, most would give up handling for 600 rwhp and hte potential to make 700, RELIABLY. The pistons in the ZL1 will never take the boost and punishment the pistons in the GT500 will take.

That's a fact.

And neither will Ford driver's attitudes. I've been into Camaros from the 70's (man, I feel old), but I know that Ford's high end Mustang cost more than Chevy's high end Camaro. All my Camaros have been reliable and just so you know, i've seen forged pistons break also. And it seems that technology have come a long way, as high performance shops like Redline, ADM, Hennessey have all up the boost and gained horsepower. Tuning helps.

Again, Ford built a great engine. Chevy built a great car.

[DanSS24]

Originally Posted by Long Carbine

Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine. The editors who can drive and will do a fair test between the two.

Not some ricer mag who's editors couldn't handle an 80 year old woman driver in western, NC.

Really?1...wow.

Originally Posted by newmoon

This is the gift that keeps on giving.

[Cvega]

Both cars are great values and true beasts. Both companies raised the bar. Chevrolet should answer with more power, maybe it should just add the LS9 once and for all. While losing some weight. Even though for the majority of drivers, the ZL1 has way more than enough power. However stock ZL1 drivers don't want to be intimidated at the stop light or interstate by the new GT500 (no, I don't condone speeding on highways)

About the numbers, I would have liked to see the ZL1 numbers a bit better. Quarter trap 119-120. 0-60. 4.0.- 4.2 at least.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Long Carbine

Let me rephrase that, when MM&FF and their GM sister publication get their hands on a GT500 and ZL1 we will see different results such as the test these two mags did on a 2003 Cobra and a 2002 SS years ago that the Terminator terminated.

The ZL1 did not pull the Boss at VIR because it was heat soaked. It was down 100 HP after the first couple of turns.

We'll see. This video was a crock.

Originally Posted by Long Carbine

Um, actually, no.

And I've been into Cobras since 1999 and unless GM drivers attitudes just changed overnight, most would give up handling for 600 rwhp and hte potential to make 700, RELIABLY. The pistons in the ZL1 will never take the boost and punishment the pistons in the GT500 will take.

That's a fact.

Originally Posted by Long Carbine

You will soon find out.

Originally Posted by Long Carbine

Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine. The editors who can drive and will do a fair test between the two.

Not some ricer mag who's editors couldn't handle an 80 year old woman driver in western, NC.

Wow...talk about one hurt little puppy.

Your from the SVT forums right? lol.