10-22-2009, 03:54 PM | #43 |
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Yeah...bring your car over and I'll show you the difference mods can make...but you'll have to catch me first.
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10-22-2009, 04:24 PM | #44 |
If you have ever drag raced you will know a few tenths is a big difference, and a second is huge. If you have not then I understand why you think the tenth here and there is no difference.
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10-22-2009, 04:26 PM | #45 |
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10-22-2009, 04:27 PM | #46 |
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If you don't get it, you don't get it.
Why do you paint your house..or add more ram to you computer? Why buy a camaro..plenty of cars are cheaper and will get the job done? |
10-22-2009, 06:38 PM | #47 | |
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95% of us will not add a turbo or NOS or supercharger or change the cam or other semi-major mods. So we will NOT gain much of anything in the way of performance by simply adding a $400 CAI or $1200 cat-back exhaust. (if you plan to go on and add major engine changes in the future, then disregard this thread) So I DO get it, but maybe am trying to help the AVERAGE (95% of us) Camaro owner who is duped by quick fix items to 'go faster'! The AVERAGE owner is not going to be racing his car weekly, so tenths of seconds ARE worthless. Especially when it costs thousands to get it. Mods won't really make you go faster, but they sure can look or sound cool. So if we simply agree that it's good to personalize a car, but don't get misled into thinking that (m)any of these simple mods will make your Camaro a race car...
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10-22-2009, 07:32 PM | #49 | |
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Your use of the word exponential is wrong in this case, I think. I'm up approximately 100rwhp from stock...and there's major differences in the performance of my car. Additionally...a couple of thousand in suspension parts and pieces will CERTAINLY alter the performance characteristics of the camaro. A set of $500 sway bars even provides a noticeable difference.
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10-22-2009, 07:51 PM | #51 |
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I like your style.
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Not sure why you 'racers' are getting all bent out of shape? I'm not insulting you, or calling you stupid or having you justify your spending. To you, small performance gain may be worth it! To me, (and to be honest, most of us) these are essentially cosmetic gains only. SOOOOOOOO..... So don't pick a CAI based on the HP gain or exhaust based on Power increase because it doesn't really matter. Maybe I'm sort of standing up for all of the runner up's of the CAI dyno challenge or the exhaust system that didn't perform quite as well, but sounds better. Get what is cool, not what has the extra 2 HP on the dyno... cause 2 HP aint SH!% If you feel the need to insult me as if I 'don't get it' or that I need to 'check my stuff' or whatever, you feel free. But I think that I do get it. BTW I know who I am NOT buying my mods from...
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10-22-2009, 08:05 PM | #53 |
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I like this thread. Very interesting. About 20 years ago I noticed a message on the back of a early Pro Street (remember those) Vega sitting in the staging lanes. The message said "Low Performance Vehicles Are For Low Performance Minds". Enough said.
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Seriously...
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[Note: I am not a vendor of any kind, just an enthusiast like you and the others that make up this Camaro5 community.] Your opinion and position are very respected - and I really mean that. I completely agree with you that forced induction can reap huge gains but at a significant cost and that most here will not do it. I do agree to disagree based on the phrases "Mods won't really make you go faster" or "small HP increases do not equal correlative performance gains". Simple mods WILL make your car proportionally faster and many are very affordable. Reference data in post #43 above. As far as relative cost here are a few ways to look at it: Base of what people paid per HP for their Camaro: New LT V-6 304 HP, MSRP $22,995 => $75/hp New SS V-8 Manual 426HP, MSRP $30,995 => $72.75/hp New SS V-8 Auto 400HP, MSRP $31,990 => $80/hp Cost of GMPP Horsepower: New L99/LS3 Engine 430HP, MSRP $7,441 (JEGS) => $17.30/hp Performance tune as in post #34 above 22HP, $300 => $13.63/hp Cold Air Intake (refer to independent testing thread - http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48202 pretty informative) - 16 RWHP => 20 FWHP, $469 => $23.45/hp It looks like there exists some simple performance bolt-ons that are proportional in cost to GMPP horsepower or a great "bang for the buck". The one thing that is true regardless of the reasons why - and that there are a lot of new products being developed for the Camaro platform which in the long run is good for us, the enthusiasts. More choices at better prices. Gotta love free market... |
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Hey -
Just saw this post of yours. Hope you didn't get burnt on parts by anyone on this site. That would suck regardless... :( |
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