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View Poll Results: Is Your Tune Locked Or Unlocked?
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Old 08-30-2013, 04:43 PM   #15
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A tune is not a software. It is a calibration file. Excel is a software but excel sheet is a file.
Yes, I know that. However, the information in that file is intellectual property, which falls under the same category as software.
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Old 08-30-2013, 06:00 PM   #16
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I don't buy the intellectual property deal. Rediculous. The customer is paying for it, it's theirs. What if they buy hp to log with at track, are u going to tell him, sorry u can't make changes to ur car cause it is not yours to alter? That's the quickest way to make a customer mad when they are in a pinch. U can not try and strong arm a customer back in your shop. Let your work speak for itself. Not cheap tactics like bin locking.
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Old 08-30-2013, 07:41 PM   #17
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Yes, I know that. However, the information in that file is intellectual property, which falls under the same category as software.
If I design a turbo kit that out performs all the others, do I have the right to weld that turbo kit to the car so it cant be removed because I dont want you to see how I designed the inside of the manifold or turbine? You would tell me to get lost. Why is this any different?

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I don't buy the intellectual property deal. Rediculous. The customer is paying for it, it's theirs. What if they buy hp to log with at track, are u going to tell him, sorry u can't make changes to ur car cause it is not yours to alter? That's the quickest way to make a customer mad when they are in a pinch. U can not try and strong arm a customer back in your shop. Let your work speak for itself. Not cheap tactics like bin locking.
I 100% agree with this. It is not his property to lock.
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Old 08-30-2013, 07:52 PM   #18
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WE are all playing with gm's intellectual property lol. Without their willingness to leave the door open for us, we'd all be running stand alones!
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Old 08-30-2013, 08:14 PM   #19
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I switched from my original tuner because he refused tounlock his tunes.
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Old 08-30-2013, 10:07 PM   #20
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Johnny, I think it is funny that you suddenly offer an unlocked tune. I guess Josh from Spartan did something right before the admins of this realm banned him for speaking truth.

As for my tune, it is still GM, but will be going in to a shop that does not lock their tune. I get that some shops think they are doing something that they want to keep private so others can't copy it, but you are only going to piss off your customers who do not know until it is too late and they have thousands into a car and can't get anything else added and re-tuned without going back to the same shop.

Keeping customers loyal is not about giving them no other options.
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Old 08-30-2013, 10:35 PM   #21
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WE are all playing with gm's intellectual property lol. Without their willingness to leave the door open for us, we'd all be running stand alones!
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Old 08-31-2013, 12:31 AM   #22
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We do not lock any tunes for customers wondering
You don't lock the tune or the ECM? There was just a thread and Ted said the tune is locked. I know first hand the tune file is locked.


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Old 08-31-2013, 02:22 AM   #23
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You don't lock the tune or the ECM? There was just a thread and Ted said the tune is locked. I know first hand the tune file is locked.


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The tune file format with SCT is encrypted, however the ECM(car tune) is not locked. EFI or HPT can read/write to the ECM. So a car can be taken to the dealer or another shop for updates/mods/tuning.

SCT had a relatively simple process for people that don't want to bother with tuning. "Turn key" option. More recently, SCT updates has been stable, but in the early days, frustrating. That's why I log with HPT with my WB and flash with SCT.

My FI kit didn't come with a programmer so luckily, I started with HPT. Ted's custom tunes has been so much better than the canned kit tunes. Street and dyno remote tunes.
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Old 08-31-2013, 08:26 AM   #24
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The tune file format with SCT is encrypted, however the ECM(car tune) is not locked. EFI or HPT can read/write to the ECM. So a car can be taken to the dealer or another shop for updates/mods/tuning.

SCT had a relatively simple process for people that don't want to bother with tuning. "Turn key" option. More recently, SCT updates has been stable, but in the early days, frustrating. That's why I log with HPT with my WB and flash with SCT.

My FI kit didn't come with a programmer so luckily, I started with HPT. Ted's custom tunes has been so much better than the canned kit tunes. Street and dyno remote tunes.

I tried to read my ECU with HP after being flashed with SCT and would get an error every time. Couldn't read the ECM.
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Old 08-31-2013, 01:24 PM   #25
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I tried to read my ECU with HP after being flashed with SCT and would get an error every time. Couldn't read the ECM.
I've done it using the beta and v2.24. Also connected the GM MDI unit and looked what it could do/see. I do not tune, but professional support enterprise level IT systems, so I am interested in seeing how the ECM work.

I like to use HPT to help troubleshoot problems with it's relatively easy logging system. SCT provides an easy way to see codes and flash the ECM. JRE does not lock the ECM tune and you should be able to read the ECM using HPT.
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Old 08-31-2013, 02:06 PM   #26
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I tried to read my ECU with HP after being flashed with SCT and would get an error every time. Couldn't read the ECM.
Are you using the latest HPTuners version?
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Old 08-31-2013, 03:30 PM   #27
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I have an Edelbrock Eforce and the car is stock running the canned tune. I have the pro racer software, but can't download the current file in the PCM to start as a base tune. Just need to tune the MAF transfer functions as Edelbrock gave me the new data for their intake. They said I need someone with HP Tuners to upload the program and save it and then I can open it with SCT Pro Racer software and get my base file. But I'm not sure what file format the HP Tuners file will be in. So I'm currently locked out and Screwed. So SCT might be good software, but has a very bad limitation.
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Old 09-01-2013, 01:58 PM   #28
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I do not want a locked tune at all. I'd even be willing to pay a little more for my tune to be unlocked versus locked!
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