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kush396 · 08-02-2013, 10:34 AM

My buddy works at the Chelsea proving grounds and said he drove one of these beasts and said it was over 700 HP ?????

zl1bro · 08-02-2013, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kush396

My buddy works at the Chelsea proving grounds and said he drove one of these beasts and said it was over 700 HP ?????

I think the challenger is great looking but it is on a 5/4 scale. It looks good from every angle except from the rear where the skinny tires and girth of body betray its large sedan roots. Unless they do something to improve its handling, I wouldn't be a buyer.

GM needs to put out a power pack tune for the ZL1. A package that boosts power by 60-75HP and doesn't void the warranty. Would be a money maker for GM and would keep the ZL1 competitive for years to come.

newmoon · 08-02-2013, 11:08 AM

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I think the challenger is great looking but it is on a 5/4 scale. It looks good from every angle except from the rear where the skinny tires and girth of body betray its large sedan roots. Unless they do something to improve its handling, I wouldn't be a buyer.

GM needs to put out a power pack tune for the ZL1. A package that boosts power by 60-75HP and doesn't void the warranty. Would be a money maker for GM and would keep the ZL1 competitive for years to come.

I really think like the GT500 owners, the average Challenger owner could care less about handling. This as is the 500 will be marketed as a straight line terror. Ford set the bar with mid 11s stock in the 1/4, lets see if the SRT can meet or beat that.

zl1bro · 08-02-2013, 11:18 AM

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I really think like the GT500 owners, the average Challenger owner could care less about handling. This as is the 500 will be marketed as a straight line terror. Ford set the bar with mid 11s stock in the 1/4, lets see if the SRT can meet or beat that.

You are probably right. And that new 8 speed automatic will likely help further the cause of making this into a straight line terror. As a former GT500 owner, I was always disappointed with its road manners. I also did a track day with all the SRT models last summer. The Challenger was a lot of fun on the track but was a sloppy pig in terms of its handling. The ZL1 inspires much more confidence. Just needs more power to keep up.

Sven59 · 08-02-2013, 12:32 PM

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Considering that the present 392 Challenger with only 470 hp in automatic form has run as quick as 12:20s in the 1/4, this car is going to be an absolute beast for straight line adventures

. It will be interesting to see where pricing falls but I would expect mid 50s.

12:20"s, motortrends best time in their test was 13.0

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t/viewall.html

and 13.2 here

http://www.autorooster.com/0-60-times/dodge/challenger/

ernie scar · 08-02-2013, 02:05 PM

I like both cars (Camaro and Challenger) and I am looking forward to when the new Challenger comes out. It’s about time Dodge put some more power under the hood. Here are some pics of my 09 SRT with the 13 ZL1. I love my Challenger and I will never sell it, I have enjoyed the car for over 4 years. Having said that I will never sell the Camaro either.

I don’t have any plans to mod the cars either; the only thing I have done is put a catch can on both cars for obvious reasons. I want both cars to remain bone stock.

I know this is a Camaro forum but in the end I am a car guy and I like different cars.

noah677 · 08-02-2013, 02:18 PM

I Would not worry about this car too much. Firstly their marketing is terrible – that means you have to locate a car first. This is a huge hurdle with Chrysler. The second thing you have to do is Find a dealer who is some what honest. That is to say they are the king of the sticker Mark up. Have you ever wondered why you See so few of these cars on the road?. That is because of production and the above hurdles that I have mentioned. IMHO the only place u will see this car is here or in the mags

bgmail777 · 08-02-2013, 02:52 PM

Ernie,

Those are nice lookin Rides, you've got "the best of both worlds" there.

TheGC1 · 08-02-2013, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by zl1bro

GM needs to put out a power pack tune for the ZL1. A package that boosts power by 60-75HP and doesn't void the warranty. Would be a money maker for GM and would keep the ZL1 competitive for years to come.

+1

Yes, yes, yes!

piepouli · 08-02-2013, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGC1

+1

Yes, yes, yes!

+ 2

rzrbck_zl1 · 08-02-2013, 04:46 PM

I like the looks of the Challenger, in fact I almost bought an SRT8 a couple years ago, but in my mind it just doesn't hold a candle to the ZL1.

*007 · 08-02-2013, 08:45 PM

It's good to see all of the big 3 involved. Sure, each has its followers, each has it's pro's and con's, but it's nice to see competition and options. All with 600 horses +\-, enjoy the trend while it remains in existence....and is reachable.

Who knows... In three years we could be looking back at the end of the second "muscle car era".... Which history has shown may be a once in a lifetime event for some.

newmoon · 08-03-2013, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sven59

12:20"s, motortrends best time in their test was 13.0

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t/viewall.html

and 13.2 here

http://www.autorooster.com/0-60-times/dodge/challenger/

I have no idea why they ran these numbers maybe they were 6 speed cars which are slower. My car ran 12:40s with all the nannies on, as I had no prayer with traction without them. A few other members in here went faster than I did.

Sven59 · 08-03-2013, 01:33 PM

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I have no idea why they ran these numbers maybe they were 6 speed cars which are slower. My car ran 12:40s with all the nannies on, as I had no prayer with traction without them. A few other members in here went faster than I did.

Do you mean auto vs. manual? The Zl1 has numbers for both.

Timeslips?

The Zl1 consistently ran low 12s and 1 stock one even ran 11.9. It would be surprising to get such a wide separation in times unless it was weather and track conditions.

So it has a 135-hp advantage over the 1M, but the Challenger also weighs 4,257 pounds. No surprise then that it produces remarkably similar numbers at the drag strip: 4.7 seconds to 60 (4.4 seconds with rollout) and 12.9 seconds to the 1,320-foot mark with a trap speed of 111.0 mph.
http://www.edmunds.com/dodge/challen...ison-test.html

08-02-2013, 02:05 PM	#34
ernie scar Drives: Chevy/Dodge/Ford Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: thunder bay Posts: 131	I like both cars (Camaro and Challenger) and I am looking forward to when the new Challenger comes out. It’s about time Dodge put some more power under the hood. Here are some pics of my 09 SRT with the 13 ZL1. I love my Challenger and I will never sell it, I have enjoyed the car for over 4 years. Having said that I will never sell the Camaro either. I don’t have any plans to mod the cars either; the only thing I have done is put a catch can on both cars for obvious reasons. I want both cars to remain bone stock. I know this is a Camaro forum but in the end I am a car guy and I like different cars. Attached Images __________________ They say money can’t buy happiness; well they never drove a Camaro. A Corvette engine and a Cadillac suspension stuffed into a Camaro, that’s what I’m talking about!

08-02-2013, 02:52 PM	#36
bgmail777 Drives: 2012 MDX Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Northern VA Posts: 65	Ernie, Those are nice lookin Rides, you've got "the best of both worlds" there. __________________ Previous GM vehicles: 70 Z/28 79 Z/28 84 Z/28 79 Corvette 70 Firebird 86 Trans AM 87 Trans AM (350) 90 Formula 350 93 Trans AM (350)

08-02-2013, 08:45 PM	#40
*007 Drives: Getaway Special Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Globe Trotter - CIU Posts: 398	It's good to see all of the big 3 involved. Sure, each has its followers, each has it's pro's and con's, but it's nice to see competition and options. All with 600 horses +\-, enjoy the trend while it remains in existence....and is reachable. Who knows... In three years we could be looking back at the end of the second "muscle car era".... Which history has shown may be a once in a lifetime event for some. __________________ Sip:

08-02-2013, 10:34 AM	#29
kush396 Drives: chevy Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: detroit Posts: 337	My buddy works at the Chelsea proving grounds and said he drove one of these beasts and said it was over 700 HP ?????

08-02-2013, 02:18 PM	#35
noah677 Account Suspended Drives: White Zl1 Join Date: May 2013 Location: Redwood city Posts: 65	I Would not worry about this car too much. Firstly their marketing is terrible – that means you have to locate a car first. This is a huge hurdle with Chrysler. The second thing you have to do is Find a dealer who is some what honest. That is to say they are the king of the sticker Mark up. Have you ever wondered why you See so few of these cars on the road?. That is because of production and the above hurdles that I have mentioned. IMHO the only place u will see this car is here or in the mags

08-02-2013, 04:46 PM	#39
rzrbck_zl1 Drives: '13 ZL1 CRT #702; '05 Hemi Ram Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Arkansas Posts: 320 View My Garage	I like the looks of the Challenger, in fact I almost bought an SRT8 a couple years ago, but in my mind it just doesn't hold a candle to the ZL1.