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BlueRay-J · 11-21-2012, 03:11 PM

For those of you experienced with top issues, what do you make of these marks? At first I thought it was wrinkles, but the top is tight. They appear to just be darker sections, but I don't know what they are from. Maybe just normal weathering will remove them?

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basecar · 11-21-2012, 03:26 PM

I believe they are from wrinkles. I have them in my 13 and had them in my11. I've also noticed them on the 12s at a dealers lot. Mine kind of go away after the tops up a while, after it stretched alittle. A top expert (not sure if there is one), told me last summer that you should never leave your top down overnight as it caused the wrinkles to show longer and bolder. Never heard that before nor was it in the owners manual. I've tried to make it a point to put the top up overnight and really haven't noticed any difference.

BlueRay-J · 11-21-2012, 04:22 PM

My top has only been down for a duration not longer than 3 hours. And it's only been down a total of 5 times.

It was in the showroom for 3 days prior to my purchase, but I believe the top was up.

I find it odd that the shades of the top would change, maybe something to do with the pigmentation and the pressure?

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JRsRS12 · 11-21-2012, 10:30 PM

The cloth top wrinkles, there's nothing I know of that will prevent it, except take delivery, and never put the top down. I have the tan top and it does appear that there are darker areas in the wrinkles. I have also noticed that if the top is down for extended periods of time, they appear worse than usual. I've seen other makes of sports cars with cloth tops and they have wrinkles and worse. This is my first rag top and have accepted that it's part of the experience. Enjoy the car and consider yourself lucky if that's all that ever happens to the top, as others have had nightmares with the mechanicals of this top.

babytiger · 11-21-2012, 10:42 PM

Those are wrinkles. Havent seen a top yet that didnt have them. Definitely dont leave the top down overnight.
Let me clarify, or use a different term, those are 'fold marks'.

SSTOKED · 11-22-2012, 07:15 AM

I agree babytiger. You will find fold marks on all rag tops on any car that uses this fabric (or possibly any fabric for that matter). Unavoidable. Look at other rag tops on other cars in parking lots and you may find yours are less noticeable. Also, as babytiger says, put the top up when you are done using the car for the day.

BlueRay-J · 11-22-2012, 07:35 AM

Thanks for the input folks. Ive read so many horror stories I just wanted to be sure it was normal. I know what I was getting into with a convertible, so I'm not that worried. I'm just trying to get a feel for what the top is like now so in 2 years I will know if something is amiss. I've learned alot in short time here.

All my questions have been answered and now I'm just going to enjoy it, unless of course I see any leaks!

Michael Rophone · 11-23-2012, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueRay-J

All my questions have been answered and now I'm just going to enjoy it, unless of course I see any leaks!

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rubbersoul84 · 11-23-2012, 09:41 PM

Yup, fold marks. My second top is fairly new...been cycled maybe 5 times. I noticed the same marks, but only in certain light. I think maybe we are expecting perfection that will never come. Am I the only one that looks for marks on other people's cars in the parking lot?

tramtwo · 11-23-2012, 10:39 PM

normal

hawk02 · 11-24-2012, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by rubbersoul84

Am I the only one that looks for marks on other people's cars in the parking lot?

Nope. I do the same thing.

Baba · 11-24-2012, 05:07 PM

It's not a wrinkle but rather a crease mark.

tonyko1 · 11-24-2012, 05:14 PM

This is interesting, as the 2013 tops were being touted by many as "bulletproof" all figured out. GM has always had that reputation of waiting until the 2nd year or later before buying that model.

Even though the horror stories of a few makes it look as if all tops are bad, they aren't of course. "Tramtwo" on this site had his car bought back after much work and frustration. Not sure about other member "Catcuseater", but he had his share as well.

I am real happy I didn't see this forum before buying my "vert". I probably would have been scared away from it. As it is, now I wouldn't consider a Camaro with a hardtop. Okay, that is a stretch, their are many fantastic hardtops out there.

Point being, there will be problems in any production process. The top though is much more noticeable and can be a pain if it is raining inside your car. I do though inspect my top all the time though and the creases/marks come and go.

Good luck.

Chevrolet Customer Svc · 11-26-2012, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubbersoul84

Yup, fold marks. My second top is fairly new...been cycled maybe 5 times. I noticed the same marks, but only in certain light. I think maybe we are expecting perfection that will never come. Am I the only one that looks for marks on other people's cars in the parking lot?

We apologize for the dissatisfaction that you may be experiencing with your new convertible top. Have you been back to the dealership so that they could address your concern?

Brandon
Chevrolet Customer Service

11-21-2012, 03:11 PM	#1
BlueRay-J Drives: 2013 Camaro SS Convertible Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Farmington Hills, Michigan Posts: 280	2013 top marks For those of you experienced with top issues, what do you make of these marks? At first I thought it was wrinkles, but the top is tight. They appear to just be darker sections, but I don't know what they are from. Maybe just normal weathering will remove them? Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2 Attached Images

11-22-2012, 07:15 AM	#6
SSTOKED Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Convertible Join Date: May 2012 Location: Webster, NY Posts: 283	I agree babytiger. You will find fold marks on all rag tops on any car that uses this fabric (or possibly any fabric for that matter). Unavoidable. Look at other rag tops on other cars in parking lots and you may find yours are less noticeable. Also, as babytiger says, put the top up when you are done using the car for the day. __________________ HISTORY: Born on 4/26/2011 Partially reborn on 7/3/2012 (water bag upgrade) Complete rebirth 8/27/2012 (new 6/27/2012 revision top installed, new carpet, new tonneau cover and new third brake light) MODS: Solo Performance Exhaust: Axle Back with J-Pipes Last edited by SSTOKED; 11-22-2012 at 08:00 AM.

11-24-2012, 05:07 PM	#12
Baba Drives: 2011 Camaro 2LT RS Convertible Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: USAREUR, CONUS/DOD-A, VA Posts: 1,745	It's not a wrinkle but rather a crease mark. __________________ 2011 Camaro 2LT RS Convertible Summit White Black Leather 3 Pedals Build Date: 06/27/2011 Purchased: 07/30/2011 Title Received: 08/15/2011 1984 Camaro (3rd Gen.): Traded: 1987 "Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss."

11-21-2012, 03:26 PM	#2
basecar Drives: 2013 Crystal Red RS Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Southern IL, Fla Posts: 59	I believe they are from wrinkles. I have them in my 13 and had them in my11. I've also noticed them on the 12s at a dealers lot. Mine kind of go away after the tops up a while, after it stretched alittle. A top expert (not sure if there is one), told me last summer that you should never leave your top down overnight as it caused the wrinkles to show longer and bolder. Never heard that before nor was it in the owners manual. I've tried to make it a point to put the top up overnight and really haven't noticed any difference.

11-21-2012, 04:22 PM	#3
BlueRay-J Drives: 2013 Camaro SS Convertible Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Farmington Hills, Michigan Posts: 280	My top has only been down for a duration not longer than 3 hours. And it's only been down a total of 5 times. It was in the showroom for 3 days prior to my purchase, but I believe the top was up. I find it odd that the shades of the top would change, maybe something to do with the pigmentation and the pressure? Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

11-21-2012, 10:30 PM	#4
JRsRS12 Drives: 2012 White 1LT RS Convertible Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 43	The cloth top wrinkles, there's nothing I know of that will prevent it, except take delivery, and never put the top down. I have the tan top and it does appear that there are darker areas in the wrinkles. I have also noticed that if the top is down for extended periods of time, they appear worse than usual. I've seen other makes of sports cars with cloth tops and they have wrinkles and worse. This is my first rag top and have accepted that it's part of the experience. Enjoy the car and consider yourself lucky if that's all that ever happens to the top, as others have had nightmares with the mechanicals of this top.

11-21-2012, 10:42 PM	#5
babytiger it's hers... Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS Convertible Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: katy, tx Posts: 1,202	Those are wrinkles. Havent seen a top yet that didnt have them. Definitely dont leave the top down overnight. Let me clarify, or use a different term, those are 'fold marks'.

11-22-2012, 07:35 AM	#7
BlueRay-J Drives: 2013 Camaro SS Convertible Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Farmington Hills, Michigan Posts: 280	Thanks for the input folks. Ive read so many horror stories I just wanted to be sure it was normal. I know what I was getting into with a convertible, so I'm not that worried. I'm just trying to get a feel for what the top is like now so in 2 years I will know if something is amiss. I've learned alot in short time here. All my questions have been answered and now I'm just going to enjoy it, unless of course I see any leaks!

11-23-2012, 09:41 PM	#9
rubbersoul84 Drives: IO 2012 2SS/RS convertible Join Date: May 2012 Location: Forest Hill, MD Posts: 83	Yup, fold marks. My second top is fairly new...been cycled maybe 5 times. I noticed the same marks, but only in certain light. I think maybe we are expecting perfection that will never come. Am I the only one that looks for marks on other people's cars in the parking lot?

11-23-2012, 10:39 PM	#10
tramtwo Drives: 2021 1LE Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: N'Awlinz Posts: 6,315	normal

11-24-2012, 05:14 PM	#13
tonyko1 Banned Drives: 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS Convertible, IBM Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,015	This is interesting, as the 2013 tops were being touted by many as "bulletproof" all figured out. GM has always had that reputation of waiting until the 2nd year or later before buying that model. Even though the horror stories of a few makes it look as if all tops are bad, they aren't of course. "Tramtwo" on this site had his car bought back after much work and frustration. Not sure about other member "Catcuseater", but he had his share as well. I am real happy I didn't see this forum before buying my "vert". I probably would have been scared away from it. As it is, now I wouldn't consider a Camaro with a hardtop. Okay, that is a stretch, their are many fantastic hardtops out there. Point being, there will be problems in any production process. The top though is much more noticeable and can be a pain if it is raining inside your car. I do though inspect my top all the time though and the creases/marks come and go. Good luck.