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htron50 · 03-24-2012, 10:06 PM

Did anyone suggest it is only the Power Steering Pump being reworked?

*radz28* · 03-24-2012, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by htron50

Did anyone suggest it is only the Power Steering Pump being reworked?

??? Hmm...

Nic to see you - BTW

2012ZL1 · 03-24-2012, 10:15 PM

Awwww. Not the power steering pump?!......cripes. Thats it, I'm going to find a sharp stick and poke it in my eye.

OldScoolCamaro · 03-24-2012, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by camarocam

With the ZL1 you get the suspension and road course handling that is not simply beat by Ford adding more horspower to the GT500. The GT500 is nice however I dont think it is even in the same league as the ZL1. Even if the ZL1 had less horsepower than 580 I would still take it over a Mustang GT500....Its a 5th Gen Camaro after all, it just looks much more modern then the Mustang to me, Oh and what is under the hood and undercarriage matches the modern lines of this beautiful car...

Well said. The Mustang is playing catch up with the PTM/TC electronics. Let's see how well the Blue Oval engineers can implement the math and techno gizmo's to make 650 HP hook up from the factory stock on their old chassis design.

OldScoolCamaro · 03-24-2012, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

I too prefer to navigate with a map. But a paper one, not a dinky little screen in the dash of my car. To each their own though.

Cut from the same cloth are we my CA neighbor....

ParisTNDude · 03-24-2012, 10:58 PM

You know....Carroll Shelby went to GM and asked for Chevy motors for his project road race cars back in the 60s and GM turned him down. After that he went to Ford and they gave him what he wanted. Do you think GM would go so far as to lose money on the ZL1 just to "one up" Ford at their own game with a pulley and computer upgrade?.....if Al Oppenheimer has to eat crow over this whole thing...he will never live it down!

2012ZL1 · 03-24-2012, 11:12 PM

For a Chevy site there sure are a lot of people scared of a little ol mustang.
Bring it on. Can't wait to dust off my first of many GT500's. I don't care if they have 800 hp, 900hp It don't matter. They still are going to LOSE

JMAN311 · 03-24-2012, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

I too prefer to navigate with a map. But a paper one, not a dinky little screen in the dash of my car. To each their own though.

I guess I just think of it as an option that should be there in this day and age. Get it if you'll use it, save the extra cost if you don't want it. But at least make the option available. You could also just use a smartphone, google maps is better than any in-dash nav system and you get free updates, none of these lame OEM DVD's for new map releases.

1st Gen Forever · 03-25-2012, 10:26 AM

I want to share a thought that I've been having on the possibility of a power bump being the reason for the hold. We all know the LSA is capable of a nice bump in power with simply a crank pulley and tune. The most common reason people give to argue that GM is NOT bumping power is that it's too late in the process to do it now with all the validation that would have to be done over again. However, GM knew even before the 1st "saleable" ZL1 was built that public opinion was criticizing the 580HP. I say public opinion because we still haven't seen how the car as a whole will compare to either a 2013 or 2012 GT 500.

So here's my thought
How do we know that the very 1st "saleable" ZL1 didn't come off the assembly line from day 1 making more than 580 HP and it isn't actually the validation process of the new power numbers we are waiting on right now?

In my head, this scenario is a fantasy and I don't need it to still buy my ZL1, but if it were true I would be going nuts praising GM and my customer loyalty would in no way drift. I would also expect GM to keep something like this secret as long as possible.

htron50 · 03-25-2012, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 1st Gen Forever

I want to share a thought that I've been having on the possibility of a power bump being the reason for the hold. We all know the LSA is capable of a nice bump in power with simply a crank pulley and tune. The most common reason people give to argue that GM is NOT bumping power is that it's too late in the process to do it now with all the validation that would have to be done over again. However, GM knew even before the 1st "saleable" ZL1 was built that public opinion was criticizing the 580HP. I say public opinion because we still haven't seen how the car as a whole will compare to either a 2013 or 2012 GT 500.

So here's my thought
How do we know that the very 1st "saleable" ZL1 didn't come off the assembly line from day 1 making more than 580 HP and it isn't actually the validation process of the new power numbers we are waiting on right now?

In my head, this scenario is a fantasy and I don't need it to still buy my ZL1, but if it were true I would be going nuts praising GM and my customer loyalty would in no way drift. I would also expect GM to keep something like this secret as long as possible.

It "sounds" great to me. My theory is that if it were just a "power steering pump" why would it be kept so close to the vest? Me thinks it is more than a simply explained issue. Maybe not, but after all, "this is war!"

vetehead · 03-25-2012, 04:46 PM

I heard that they are going to scrap all the zl1's that were built and replace them zr1's from Bowling Green that can't sell right now and replace the badge to zl1.....

Bad@ssCamaro · 03-25-2012, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by fiascoes1

Trade your boss in lol!

THIS!!!.......

actireman · 03-25-2012, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 1st Gen Forever

I want to share a thought that I've been having on the possibility of a power bump being the reason for the hold. We all know the LSA is capable of a nice bump in power with simply a crank pulley and tune. The most common reason people give to argue that GM is NOT bumping power is that it's too late in the process to do it now with all the validation that would have to be done over again. However, GM knew even before the 1st "saleable" ZL1 was built that public opinion was criticizing the 580HP. I say public opinion because we still haven't seen how the car as a whole will compare to either a 2013 or 2012 GT 500.

So here's my thought
How do we know that the very 1st "saleable" ZL1 didn't come off the assembly line from day 1 making more than 580 HP and it isn't actually the validation process of the new power numbers we are waiting on right now?

In my head, this scenario is a fantasy and I don't need it to still buy my ZL1, but if it were true I would be going nuts praising GM and my customer loyalty would in no way drift. I would also expect GM to keep something like this secret as long as possible.

Nope, no more power guys, sorry.

350 HRSS · 03-25-2012, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by actireman

Nope, no more power guys, sorry.

That's fine with me

If I can have this car in my possession by April 19th, I would be SUPER happy with no complaints. However, I realize if it doesn't ship by at least April 9th, it won't happen :(

03-24-2012, 10:15 PM	#31
2012ZL1 CaRaHoLiC Drives: '12 ZL1,67 Cam,68 Biscayne 427 4 sp Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 1,701	Awwww. Not the power steering pump?!......cripes. Thats it, I'm going to find a sharp stick and poke it in my eye. __________________ 2012 ZL1 2.55 upper, 10" lower pullies, Innovators west billet hub and sfi balancer, solid blower drive isolator, 50 mm idler kit, full length S/S headers no cats, comp cams custom grind cam, comp roller rocker trunion kit, comp push rods,dual valve springs retainers and locks, Injector dynamics ID850 inectors, Rotofab ZL1 cold air kit, Lingenfelter 160 thermostat, Rotofab intercooler reservoir, stock plugs, LS7 90mm throttle body, GTO clutch reservoir mod, my own custom catch can, Tuning by Jannetty, install by me.

03-24-2012, 10:58 PM	#34
ParisTNDude Owning SSes for 50 Years Drives: Sharkskin Grey LT1 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Paris, TN Posts: 3,139 View My Garage	You know....Carroll Shelby went to GM and asked for Chevy motors for his project road race cars back in the 60s and GM turned him down. After that he went to Ford and they gave him what he wanted. Do you think GM would go so far as to lose money on the ZL1 just to "one up" Ford at their own game with a pulley and computer upgrade?.....if Al Oppenheimer has to eat crow over this whole thing...he will never live it down! __________________ The new ride: 2023 Camaro, LT1, Sharkskin Grey Previous Performance Cars: 1966 Chevelle SS 4M, 2010 Corvette 6M 1968 Dodge Charger R/T Auto 2012 1SS 6M 1982 Corvette Auto 2010 1SS 6A 1984 Corvette Auto 2016 2SS 8A 1999 Camaro Auto 2017 HBM 1SS 1le 2002 C5 Corvette 6M 2018 2SS 2006 Corvette Auto 2023 Camaro LT1

03-24-2012, 11:12 PM	#35
2012ZL1 CaRaHoLiC Drives: '12 ZL1,67 Cam,68 Biscayne 427 4 sp Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 1,701	For a Chevy site there sure are a lot of people scared of a little ol mustang. Bring it on. Can't wait to dust off my first of many GT500's. I don't care if they have 800 hp, 900hp It don't matter. They still are going to LOSE __________________ 2012 ZL1 2.55 upper, 10" lower pullies, Innovators west billet hub and sfi balancer, solid blower drive isolator, 50 mm idler kit, full length S/S headers no cats, comp cams custom grind cam, comp roller rocker trunion kit, comp push rods,dual valve springs retainers and locks, Injector dynamics ID850 inectors, Rotofab ZL1 cold air kit, Lingenfelter 160 thermostat, Rotofab intercooler reservoir, stock plugs, LS7 90mm throttle body, GTO clutch reservoir mod, my own custom catch can, Tuning by Jannetty, install by me.

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03-24-2012, 10:06 PM	#29
htron50 Drives: 2017 ZL1 Status "Thank You!" Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,498	Did anyone suggest it is only the Power Steering Pump being reworked?

03-25-2012, 10:26 AM	#37
1st Gen Forever ZL1 #140 Drives: Camaros: 68 SS, 10 2SS/RS, 12 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 594	I want to share a thought that I've been having on the possibility of a power bump being the reason for the hold. We all know the LSA is capable of a nice bump in power with simply a crank pulley and tune. The most common reason people give to argue that GM is NOT bumping power is that it's too late in the process to do it now with all the validation that would have to be done over again. However, GM knew even before the 1st "saleable" ZL1 was built that public opinion was criticizing the 580HP. I say public opinion because we still haven't seen how the car as a whole will compare to either a 2013 or 2012 GT 500. So here's my thought How do we know that the very 1st "saleable" ZL1 didn't come off the assembly line from day 1 making more than 580 HP and it isn't actually the validation process of the new power numbers we are waiting on right now? In my head, this scenario is a fantasy and I don't need it to still buy my ZL1, but if it were true I would be going nuts praising GM and my customer loyalty would in no way drift. I would also expect GM to keep something like this secret as long as possible.

03-25-2012, 04:46 PM	#39
vetehead Drives: 2011 SIM 2LT/RS Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Massapequa,NY Posts: 172	I heard that they are going to scrap all the zl1's that were built and replace them zr1's from Bowling Green that can't sell right now and replace the badge to zl1.....