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rich3fan · 05-09-2014, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle2k

Yeah, that is a good point...objectively they are both well made converters, besides anecdotes from individual members the only other thing I would recommend is checking out what some of the fast list cars run.

Good idea.

realcanuk · 05-09-2014, 11:48 PM

You would be smart to contact directly the companies whose converters you are considering. After speaking with them all, the decision to go with Circle D was easy for me. You usually get a feeling from these enquiries and Chris gave me the "right" feeling at the time. I couldn't be happier with the product.

Camarojt · 05-10-2014, 01:13 AM

Like everyone is saying. Call Chris at Circle D and he will gladly explain some if the benefits of choosing Circle D vs other converters. Yanks are also good, from what I've seen they tend to not flash quite as high based on their stall rating.

I've got a 3600 Circle D and I have the quickest 60ft record in the Bolt On only class. 1.53!
They flat out hit HARD off the line! Drives good too.

white ZL1 · 05-10-2014, 07:31 AM

You won't find many PI converters on this forum. There are no vendors here plugging them and they have no presence here themselves.
The circle D's tend to hit harder and the yank might be more efficient. Also, a triple disc converter is going to be easier to tune than a single disc. I spent an awful lot of time in my old SS getting the 3600 yank to lock and unlock at the right times. Easy, just time consuming.
You'll be fine with either, but all the cool kids are running circle D's right now.

Rhino79 · 05-10-2014, 08:22 AM

The E line of the CDS converters are more efficient than the C, but they don't hit as hard.

One thing to keep in mind with the converter is that 60 ft isn't everything. You have 1260 ft left to race after that first 60...lol. You need a converter that's going to get it done down track too.

grocerygetter · 05-10-2014, 10:13 AM

IMO, if u want your car to run right at the track, you want your tuner to pick two things for sure, cam and converter.
And for the record, I have trusted wrongly before too...aka pro torque converter. Lol

rich3fan · 05-10-2014, 11:12 AM

This is looking like a no-brainer. Thanks for all of the good input. I stand by my point about how mods can be subjective, and popular doesn't always equal best, but OTOH customer testimonials (and fast lists) speak volumes. Circle D it is. Regarding stall speed slection, and I'll talk more with Chris on this subject; I'm not seeing anything on the site that describes a "1e" converter. I see, when I select the stall speed for a single or Multi-disk, only 1C 2C...etc. I assume you all are talking about the 245 mm converter, but what does the "e" indicate? And back in 1998, there wasn't, as far as I can remember, such a thing as a Multi-disk setup. I understand that a multi is easier to tune, but it's also got a bigger price tag. Are there other advantages of a multi vs single? Which one has better street manners, if that even comes into play?

Nightmare2012 · 05-10-2014, 12:44 PM

Circle D right here I flash at 4500 rpm feathering the pedal I can just imagine what it'll flash at once I dead hook!.

Juice2SS · 05-10-2014, 02:24 PM

I'll data log my car tomorrow. We'll see what I flash with my 3600 Yank. First time at the track with it since the converter and cam.

trw427ss · 05-10-2014, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Juice2SS

I'll data log my car tomorrow. We'll see what I flash with my 3600 Yank. First time at the track with it since the converter and cam.

I'll be interested to see that. Good luck!

Pro Stock John · 05-10-2014, 08:26 PM

I have a Circle D 3200, and it's a great converter. I've had PI and Yank stuff in the past in 4th gens, and the Yanks stuff did good for me then. PI, not so much.

VADER SS L99 · 05-10-2014, 08:29 PM

I had a Vigilante as well with my 4th gen and while it was fantastic at WOT it sucked at part throttle. With this car I didn't want it to act like that so I went with a Yank. Well, the Yank is a great DD converter under part throttle but not so great at the track and WOT. If I had it to do over again I would pick a Circle D or FTI triple disk 3200-3600. You should put FTI as another great converter to look at. The FTI in my friends C6 is awesome. Drives stock at part throttle but hits super hard and has great flash speed at WOT.

rberns · 05-10-2014, 08:54 PM

What does is mean when the converter flashes?

rich3fan · 05-10-2014, 09:01 PM

Here's a torque converter 101: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37093

05-09-2014, 11:48 PM	#16
realcanuk Drives: 2007 Corvette C6 983 RWHP Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 690	You would be smart to contact directly the companies whose converters you are considering. After speaking with them all, the decision to go with Circle D was easy for me. You usually get a feeling from these enquiries and Chris gave me the "right" feeling at the time. I couldn't be happier with the product. __________________ 2007 C6 vert, auto, F55, LT3 LME LS402 , WCCH 245 Heads, Pat G. Custom cam YSI / 3.0 pulley, ARH 1 7/8 headers, NPP Dewitts / dual spals, A&A dual pump fuel system. 3.42 polished gears, hardened shafts, Alky control meth, Cartech line lock, ECS axle loops, Trans brace, 6L80 built by me. ID 1000 injectors, comp rockers, Morel lifters, BT springs, Trend 3/8 pushrods, ATI 10% OD Damper Circle D Triple Disc stall 1009 RWHP @ 7000, 817 RWTQ @ 6000,

05-10-2014, 10:13 AM	#20
grocerygetter instigator Drives: 2020 6.2 Trail Boss, 2022 XC90 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: 72034 Posts: 3,979 View My Garage	IMO, if u want your car to run right at the track, you want your tuner to pick two things for sure, cam and converter. And for the record, I have trusted wrongly before too...aka pro torque converter. Lol __________________ -John S.

05-10-2014, 11:12 AM	#21
rich3fan What's this button do? Drives: 2019 Black 2SS Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Wylie, Texas Posts: 1,364	This is looking like a no-brainer. Thanks for all of the good input. I stand by my point about how mods can be subjective, and popular doesn't always equal best, but OTOH customer testimonials (and fast lists) speak volumes. Circle D it is. Regarding stall speed slection, and I'll talk more with Chris on this subject; I'm not seeing anything on the site that describes a "1e" converter. I see, when I select the stall speed for a single or Multi-disk, only 1C 2C...etc. I assume you all are talking about the 245 mm converter, but what does the "e" indicate? And back in 1998, there wasn't, as far as I can remember, such a thing as a Multi-disk setup. I understand that a multi is easier to tune, but it's also got a bigger price tag. Are there other advantages of a multi vs single? Which one has better street manners, if that even comes into play? __________________ 2019 Black & Red & Silver 2SS - Bone Stock

05-10-2014, 08:26 PM	#25
Pro Stock John Writer Drives: 2010 SS / 1967 Camaro Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 7,216	I have a Circle D 3200, and it's a great converter. I've had PI and Yank stuff in the past in 4th gens, and the Yanks stuff did good for me then. PI, not so much. __________________ PROJECT HEAVY CHEVY Camaro Now: Mods for the Masses Part I \| Part II 13.15@106 1.95 \| 100% Stock 12.37@112 1.85 \| + Kooks Headers/Cats + 20" 555R + CAI + BW TB + UDP + Tune 12.06@113 1.70 \| + CD 3200 + 18" NT05R + RCR Intake + NE OTR + GPI Tune 11.84@115 1.59 \| + 3.91s + Race Star 17x7 Fronts 10.90@125 1.47 \| + GPI VVT Cam + BW Ported Heads + CD 3800

05-10-2014, 08:29 PM	#26
VADER SS L99 Drives: 2013 A6 GT 5.0 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 2,909	I had a Vigilante as well with my 4th gen and while it was fantastic at WOT it sucked at part throttle. With this car I didn't want it to act like that so I went with a Yank. Well, the Yank is a great DD converter under part throttle but not so great at the track and WOT. If I had it to do over again I would pick a Circle D or FTI triple disk 3200-3600. You should put FTI as another great converter to look at. The FTI in my friends C6 is awesome. Drives stock at part throttle but hits super hard and has great flash speed at WOT. __________________ BLK/BLK 1SS/RS Ordered 11-01-2009 Took delivery 12-22-2009. Heads/cam/converter/bolt ons. SOLD Feb 2015 to fund 6th gen LT1 SS with 8L90E.

05-10-2014, 01:13 AM	#17
Camarojt Drives: 2011camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Allen, Tx Posts: 2,201	Like everyone is saying. Call Chris at Circle D and he will gladly explain some if the benefits of choosing Circle D vs other converters. Yanks are also good, from what I've seen they tend to not flash quite as high based on their stall rating. I've got a 3600 Circle D and I have the quickest 60ft record in the Bolt On only class. 1.53! They flat out hit HARD off the line! Drives good too.

05-10-2014, 07:31 AM	#18
white ZL1 Drives: none Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: DFW area Posts: 1,844	You won't find many PI converters on this forum. There are no vendors here plugging them and they have no presence here themselves. The circle D's tend to hit harder and the yank might be more efficient. Also, a triple disc converter is going to be easier to tune than a single disc. I spent an awful lot of time in my old SS getting the 3600 yank to lock and unlock at the right times. Easy, just time consuming. You'll be fine with either, but all the cool kids are running circle D's right now.

05-10-2014, 08:22 AM	#19
Rhino79 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS L99/Auto Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Cabot, AR Posts: 2,827 View My Garage	The E line of the CDS converters are more efficient than the C, but they don't hit as hard. One thing to keep in mind with the converter is that 60 ft isn't everything. You have 1260 ft left to race after that first 60...lol. You need a converter that's going to get it done down track too.

05-10-2014, 12:44 PM	#22
Nightmare2012 come find out;) Drives: stockish 2012 camaro ss Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: speed county Posts: 2,166 View My Garage	Circle D right here I flash at 4500 rpm feathering the pedal I can just imagine what it'll flash at once I dead hook!.

05-10-2014, 02:24 PM	#23
Juice2SS Drives: 2011 2SS Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 931	I'll data log my car tomorrow. We'll see what I flash with my 3600 Yank. First time at the track with it since the converter and cam.

05-10-2014, 08:54 PM	#27
rberns Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: US Posts: 3,291 View My Garage	What does is mean when the converter flashes? __________________ 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS, Circle D 3200, ADM Transmission Cooler, BTR Valvetrain, Cam Motion .621 .595 228/244 113+4, ARH 1 7/8 full exhaust, Cold Air Inductions, Katech C5R TC, Melling HV, BTR SLR lifters, Trunion Upgrade, LS2 Dampner, LS9 head gaskets, Bo White PTB, MM can, GFX, Subs, B&M Deep transmission pan, Holley fuel rail, Proform valve covers, relocated coil packs

05-10-2014, 09:01 PM	#28
rich3fan What's this button do? Drives: 2019 Black 2SS Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Wylie, Texas Posts: 1,364	Here's a torque converter 101: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37093 __________________ 2019 Black & Red & Silver 2SS - Bone Stock