08-22-2010, 02:53 PM | #1 | ||
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A large group of us went to a driving school this past weekend to "learn high performance driving skills."
During my 4th and final 20 - 24 min course run, my brakes hit the floor at about 80mph. Needless to say, I mumbled, "awe shit..." as we approached the corner. I pumped the brakes a few times and went into the corner with too much speed throwing me at the very edge of the track. Luckily, it was a corner that I could go into a bit faster...and not a corner that had a barrier, creek, trees, etc. It could have been bad. So, with that happening and losing my brakes (so not cool), I figured my brake fluid began to boil. If that happens, condensation and air begin to build up in the lines. From here on out, I learned that my brake fluid will boil more quickly and my brakes won't work to the best of their "Brembo" ability. I can't ever let this happen again on ANY track or ANY street. So, I bought Super Blue Racing DOT 4 brake fluid. Yes, the cap on the cylinder says DOT 3. This confused me and I wanted to make sure I was not about to screw something up. So, I began reading and reading. In my search, I found this to be EXTREMELY helpful. I wanted to make SURE that everyone here go the same info I just had and was able to make a well informed decision on their own if they ever decide to head out to a "driving school," 1/4 mile track, road course, or plain flat out, RACE. Check out the link here. It could SERIOUSLY help. Quote:
Not bad. Here's some more info for those wanting to know how to bleed those brakes. Quote:
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08-22-2010, 02:59 PM | #2 |
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Wow, great info so glad u shared this with us...
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08-22-2010, 03:03 PM | #3 |
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Thanks for posting such a great article. Again, it's the little things that really add up to make a safe vehicle, especially in racing conditions. I use Wilwood EXP 600 fluid in my "HP" vehicles for that very reason. No one thinks of brake fluid, just brakes, but you found out first hand - it makes a BIG difference. Thanks again for the Thread. Should help some others stay out of trouble. |
08-22-2010, 03:13 PM | #4 |
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Happy to help.
Now....I'm thinking of upgrading to stainless steel brake lines. (Honestly, losing my brakes like that kinda got me prettttttty damn nervous. I am NOT going to let that happen again!) |
08-22-2010, 03:39 PM | #5 | |
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Absolutely upgrade to BSS brake lines. MTI on this site has a good set. Goodridge makes them, StopTech makes them. Hate to sound like a broken record, but all our HP vehicles have been equipped with BSS brake lines. |
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08-22-2010, 11:04 PM | #6 |
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Doesn't sound like a broken record to me! This is EXACTLY the kind of information that I'm looking for. What type of stainless steel brake lines?..."BSS, carried by MTI." THIS helps!
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08-23-2010, 02:55 AM | #7 |
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In addition to allowing some heat dissipation through the BSS lines, they also give a better, more solid feel to braking since they don't expand like rubber lines do thus you won't feel your brakes getting spongy as they heat up.
If you want a nice upgrade, especially you guys who've boosted your power, try the Racing Brake 2-piece drilled/slotted rotors. Besides being 6 lbs lighter than the stock rotors, they do a great job of ventilating and dissipating heat. And they look seriously cool too. Here's how they look on my car (these are the fronts):
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08-23-2010, 12:35 PM | #8 |
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I remember you getting those....talking about unsprung weight, etc. How are they treating you?
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08-24-2010, 10:24 PM | #9 |
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Excellent info. I am wondering though it often says NOT to mix types of fluid. How do you ensure that you are getting all the DOT3 out? There is always a bit left coating in the lines, master and calipers. (may not seem like it but 1oz. or a shot glass full is a very large percentage) Are you running enough thru to "flush" out the old? I upgraded my 57Caddy to front disc, I replaced it with all new. now it stops on a dime. After all if you cant stop don't start. It's just a question, I'm not questioning your intelligence.
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08-25-2010, 12:05 AM | #10 |
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the old stuff is a black/gray/clear fluid. The fluid that I used is blue (super blue racing DOT 4). You remove (with a turkey baster, etc) from the master cylinder and then pour in the new beginning to bleed one line at a time until you get blue fluid that comes out. Sure, there's going to be a teeny tiny bit left over... But, the majority will be out.
If you want to, you can always take the car to a professional shop. They have machines to properly drain the fluid out of the cylinder. |
08-25-2010, 02:15 AM | #11 |
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The rotors and braided stainless steel lines are great. Braking is very solid and linear; no sudden grabbing. Soon as they get the rear rotors done I'll be adding those and enjoying the performance.
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08-25-2010, 04:21 AM | #12 |
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Great write up...Lots of great info
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I have DOT4 in my lines now and if someone makes me a good offer on some new stainless steel brake lines, I'll pick some up. |
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08-25-2010, 10:19 AM | #14 | |
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The braided lines aren't that expensive; I got mine from Racing Brake but I know Pedder's and other sells them and the price is around $120 I believe give or take a few bucks. It's an upgrade that is WELL worth it.
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