11-03-2007, 07:19 AM | #197 |
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Yeah, it doesn't take 10 years for technology to trickle down from the luxury brands to the entry level brands.
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11-03-2007, 11:52 AM | #198 |
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11-04-2007, 12:41 PM | #199 |
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I dont think as of now that DOD or AFM will be available in the Camaro's because of performance in mind. Although i could be wrong I've heard a bunch going both ways. The DOD has one major flaw in my mind and that is that it is computer controlled off of torque demand and throttle which i believe it should be completely user controlled and be turned on and off like traction control or overdrive. In 6th gear with DOD on you would be getting above 35 mpg because the car would still be geared like a big v8 but dropping down have the displacement in an overdrive that could be .4 to 1.
Also we already know the LS3 is VVT and it will definetly support E85 but the thing is how much fuel economy will we get with E85 in a high reving large displacement motor. As for DI any DI V8 is two years in the work and I cant tell you what but it will be in the luxury models just like the V6 was. Think of the flagship for the luxury models, but its a luxury option and as of now it is not mentioned to be anything else. Dont think it will drop down the lower market soon because the only reason the 3.6 will be offered in the Camaro is because the cadalliac engineers are working on it. I never said the techonology was being dropped. The LS3 will be in the car. THe LS2 is dead end of story. I dont mean to upset you guys. Just what i know. You can wait to see for yourself though. |
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Also, we don't know if the 3.6 DI engine will be going into the Camaro. It might, or it might not. No one can say at all what the engines really will be because GM has confirmed nothing specific yet, just that it will have choices ranging from V6s to V8s. Given that GM is really going all out to beat the competition with the Camaro, and is debuting it after a very long development time, I don't think it is too far fetched to think we might get the Gen Vs after all. What better way to show them off? They might not even come in the first year, but perhaps after a while. Really no one knows, so it is best to not use absolute phrases for now. |
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11-04-2007, 06:30 PM | #201 |
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You guys dont seem to confident so i wont continue to tell you guys things but as for the 3.6 it has been confirmed along with a 3.9 reaserch it.
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11-04-2007, 06:32 PM | #202 |
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Well we asked you before what your sources are. If you know all these concrete details, we want to know the source before relying on them.
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11-04-2007, 09:16 PM | #203 | |
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The reason I don't believe you is because fbodfather posted that NOTHING has been released other than "there will be a V6 and a V8 with both manual and auto options" and yes I can provide links.
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11-04-2007, 09:20 PM | #204 |
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thumbsdown at the negativity in here...
I appreciate your input, RadCannon, really, I do....but I have to doubt, my rule of thumb is to automatically review everything a person/source/article says if one thing is wrong....what? you may ask, well: The LS3 is not VVT, and as far as I know, it doesn't support E85. That's when my rule take effect, you see. Secondly, No. The 3.6 has NOT been confirmed...you'd think an entire site of fact-hungry Camaro enthusiasts would have found even a rumor of that by now? I'll ask that if you have any other "facts" that you please list a source... Quelling any further argument.......now. (meaning I'm gonna delete any other arguments........don't like doing that) |
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Are u sure about the LS3 not being variable valve timing?? I wouldnt be suprised about the E85. I know alot of sources in GM ive already seen a real LS3 in a car and ridden it. I am not really at liberty to start saying all my sources i have alot of them and one some issues they say different things but they are in GM.
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11-05-2007, 03:58 AM | #206 | |
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I remember a while back when Dragon printed (w/ sources) that the LS3 woudn't have VVT. It was in a discussion over the Gen V engines. I'm searching for it, but can't seem to come across it. Give me some time.
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11-05-2007, 05:49 AM | #207 |
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Anyway, if it were my call to do the engine lineup at launch, I'd do 1 or 2 V6s and 2ish V8s. For the V6 options, it would be 1 or 2 of the following: the 3.5 liter pushrod for its fuel economy and low price, the 3.6 high feature as it is emerging as the new standard V6 for GM with good power and decent economy, or the 3.6 liter DI for its improved power and economy. The DI would be too expensive to have as the only V6, so I imagine they might have either the 3.5 or 3.6, or both, or one of those and the DI as an upgrade. For V8 models, I would make an entry level V8 with the L79 out of the G8 as it has all the fuel saving features and apparently doesn't cost much as they managed to keep the G8 pretty affordable given its features and size. Then for SS and Z28 models I'd use the LS3, uptuned slightly for whichever level is higher, along with better suspension and the other upgrades that would go along with that.
This is just my wishlist, but it would seem to be logical speculation at what GM might do. |
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This is the most "fullfilling" conversation we've had in a while...
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GM powertrain Okay, you're just gonna have to trust me on this...the writeup on the L76 is super-long....but I'm 90% certain now that this will be the "base V8", unless they come out with a magic Gen V by then...anywho: NOTE: all following info is G8 specific. This is the intro-list: I bolded the important stuff Quote:
A note on AFM (somebody mentioned cost): "The only mechanical components required are special valve lifters for cylinders that are deactivated, and their control system. The incremental cost for the customer is nominal per engine." AND, this made me happy: "It’s validated to achieve 200,000 miles of operation in typical applications.". NOW, the LS3. This is the entire writeup on the LS3: Quote:
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11-05-2007, 09:47 AM | #209 |
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Thanks Dragon, yes, I did mean L76. I agree, it does seem designed to be the perfect lower level V8 in the Camaro. I wouldn't mind an LS3 of course, but I think there are real cost and fuel efficiency advantages to the L76 that make it ideal as the base V8.
And then there are the Gen Vs, the great unknown. Whatever they come out like, that could change everything. This sure will be an interesting year. Again, thanks for the research. |
11-05-2007, 11:41 AM | #210 |
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No kidding, right?! We need to copy, paste that for the engine thread!
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