12.6 Run No CAI

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

I think you are right, But a long time ago Vararam Did do some 1/4 runs and posted them up on the forum if you want i can find it for you and re post.

[Wacker]

Originally Posted by mlee

That's why you track and adjust times per DA so all things are equal... I think with Wackers runs are very consistent now and he should be able to see a true DA adjusted difference on the track with Vararam...

Isn't that what everyone has been wanting to see. All I've heard is stationary dyno is not going to show the true benefits from this CAI.

If I were Vararam I would move him up the list...

That night I ran 6 12.8's swapped tranny tunes and ran 6 12.6's. All my 60ft times were 1.95-2.05 on stock tires. All trap speeds were 110.

[Wacker]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS

I think you are right, But a long time ago Vararam Did do some 1/4 runs and posted them up on the forum if you want i can find it for you and re post.

I don't think their car was tuned was it? I remember seeing a good drop in ET though.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS

I think you are right, But a long time ago Vararam Did do some 1/4 runs and posted them up on the forum if you want i can find it for you and re post.

Originally Posted by Wacker

That night I ran 6 12.8's swapped tranny tunes and ran 6 12.6's. All my 60ft times were 1.95-2.05 on stock tires. All trap speeds were 110.

This is what I'm talking about... Wacker knows exactly what his car will do... and doing it all with Stock CAI
Slapping on a Vararam will be a super nice "Independent" test...

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Originally Posted by Wacker

I don't think their car was tuned was it? I remember seeing a good drop in ET though.

No if i remember right there car was not tuned as that is what is going to sale the best at this time, I know there are hard core guys that want a CAI and a Tune and more but most will not want a tune at this time maybe after there warranty is up, So the no tune unit is why its taken as long as it has, By the way I was the test car for K&N before Vararam and have not got that unit and will not get it till 2-3 weeks before it is out.

Originally Posted by mlee

This is what I'm talking about... Wacker knows exactly what his car will do... and doing it all with Stock CAI
Slapping on a Vararam will be a super nice "Independent" test...

I Think you are right.

[Wacker]

Originally Posted by mlee

This is what I'm talking about... Wacker knows exactly what his car will do... and doing it all with Stock CAI
Slapping on a Vararam will be a super nice "Independent" test...

I have to credit the consistency of my runs to the car. The automatic ALWAYS shifts where I've programmed it to. I let the computer do all the shifting unless I paddle down to force third. The car literally launches forward during the shifts. If I had some better tires I'm sure I could easily knock of two tenths. I hate having to shift to fourth as it is not as hard as the rest. Unfortunately the faster the car gets the higher the trap speeds will probably be and 110 @ 6600 RPM is the best I've been able to do in third. Theoretically I should get more speed out of third in Tulsa with the 1000ft lower elevation. At 5000ft I saw 105 and at 2000ft 110, so maybe I'll see
112ish at 1000ft. Lord knows I'd love to run this car at sea level. I'm 100% confident I would see 11's with better tires or a CAI. Can't wait to run an M6 with the same mods, now that would be a good race The M6 has more power but the auto is geared more aggressively and IMO a faster shift.

[Wacker]

As promised

On road "real world" test results for the "automatic cars" , Heat soak and all.
No check engine lights
No choppy idles
No surging at stoplights
No lazy driveability
"NO custom tuning required"
We also added some driving tips with this car.


Test vehicle 2010 Automatic SS (500 miles from new)
(Stock car dynoed 310 rear wheel HP @5800RPM by G-Force )

Test was conducted over 48hrs of back to back constant data log runs going from stock to prototype back to stock and then back to prototype etc..
( our engine development engineer did not sleep, he simply continued running on caffeine!)

For your purposes we will provide you with 0-60 and 1/4 mile stock vs modified
with "NO TUNING"

All runs we made off of dead idle in "D"

We made over "37" full 1/4 mile passes ( datalogging all runs)
Weather = DA of around 2500 ( hot and humid) typical of Texas this time of yr) at night DA stayed within tolerance.

We are going to give you a summerization of the runs.
( a G-tech pro was used, pictures and filming were conducted and will be posted later on our site)
Same piece of pavement etc..
1/4 tank of Shell 93

Stock car ( left in "D" simply launched off dead idle, loading up the trans only brought in more Torque management slowing the runs)ALL traction controle items OFF!
Car is always at operating temp, No cooldown runs or ice packing on the manifold etc..
0-60mph 5.08-5.12 sec ( no wheel spin)
1/4 mile 13.58-13.62 @ 105.1-105.3mph ( no wheelspin)

With Prototype #1 VR in place ( No computer learn time)
1/2 tank of Shell 93( carrying more weight)
0-60 mph 4.79-4.81 sec and we now had wheel spin ( about time! )
1/4 mile 13.18-13.25 @ 108-108.5mph ( yes we had wheel spin) about 1 tenth worth on average, not present when stock.
once again "NO TUNING!"

With over 15yrs of street testing using vericoms VC200's and now Gtech's vs drag strip ( Houston Raceway Park)I can tell you this-
At a drag strip, with cool down and ice bags bungie corded to the manifold, this "IS" a solid 12.85-.90 sec car at probably 109-110mph even in our bad weather.
You only need a 2.00-2.05 60ft time to do that with 109-110mph trap and this car with the VR has that much power!
( I would not do any type of burnout with the auto, just pull up leave it in "D" and run) it shifts out at 5,800RPM that is where power peaks on the dyno and even if custom tuned the overall gearing does not look like revving it to 6,000 will help at least not in stock form.

After 2 days of driving for some computer learn time ( verified by data logging) in similar weather the car has gone quicker than the above numbers listed ( NO Tuning) and here is a suprise for all.

"Head to head races against stock manual 6 speed SS cars" ,3 cars total , once again real world conditions, 1/4 mile races, no cool down prep just real world conditions.
"dead even races!" who ever launched and got traction 1st, that is where they stayed all the way down the 1/4 mile!

( every 6sp owner asked "WHAT DID YOU DO TO IT?") they were obviously expecting an easy win, thats just not going to be the case with any car using a VR system.

We will be testing 3 new parts on the unit this week in an attempt to find more speed without requiring custom tunng.

We have so much R&D behind this system and the L99 ,we have dedicated a technician just for documentation purposes to relay that data to our web designers.
There is much going on that we cannot talk about due to Patent Pending items that are finishing evaluation at this time.

We will do the final Dyno and 1/4 mile mile numbers as well as go to the track for you to get a "quote" real number for those who think we are kidding about the shear power potential of this system.
( Remember we dont sell cones with a pipe! , all VR systems are nothing but high volume low boost superchargers that operate well above 100%VE plain and simple, each system containing a power multiplier just as with any turbo charger. each is designed around a specific vehicle application.)


general note;
You can always custom tune for more power and in the new 2010 SS we recommend it at some point as you will find more power,and performance however ,we have set up the VR so that a "tune" is not a manditory item.

VR tech

There will be more to follow soon.


Pulled from the Vararam post. Don't see myself getting four tenths, but two or three would be awesome. You definitely need to do a burnout with any mods/tune, otherwise you have NO chance of achieving traction.

[Wacker]

Was hoping for a 12.2 or 12.3 but I had some computer issues swapping tunes. I was only able to run one tune, which was not my fastest, of the bunch. The DA should have put me in the aboved mentioned times maybe next time. I REALLY need drag radials.

[mr_desmo]

( Remember we dont sell cones with a pipe! , all VR systems are nothing but high volume low boost superchargers ---------------------------------------------------------BULL SHIT...no positive pressure can be had in a NA car with air filters present...

[2010 SSRS]

fast azz Camaro, hell yea

[Wacker]

Originally Posted by 2010 SSRS

fast azz Camaro, hell yea

Thanks...

[Wacker]

Originally Posted by mr_desmo

( Remember we dont sell cones with a pipe! , all VR systems are nothing but high volume low boost superchargers ---------------------------------------------------------BULL SHIT...no positive pressure can be had in a NA car with air filters present...

Not wanted in this thread.....Thanks

[nhra stocker]

Originally Posted by Wacker

This is a run a few weeks back in OKC. Da was 2k with a temp of 65. Mods on the car are ARH/Cats, Magnaflow Catback, and custom tuning by Trifecta performance. CAI and Nitto 20" DR's coming soon. Hope to run in Tulsa on the 5th of December with the DR's. The shift profile is 1-2 @5900k 2-3 @ 6200k and 3-4 @ 6400k. I actually hit the rev (6600k) on this run because I held third.

You should post your time slips in the quarter mile section and get on the fast list.

[Wacker]

Originally Posted by nhra stocker

You should post your time slips in the quarter mile section and get on the fast list.

Good idea. Which thread is that?