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LaN- · 06-16-2016, 06:27 PM

I currently have the vector motorsports 2.5 cam and are looking for more power next year. Do you guys think it would be beneficial to swap out to something like the night fury? I hear about how well the torque on the NF cam is, but i don't know enough about cam specs. Any input is appreciated.

Vector Stage 2.5 = 227/239 .613/.623 114+4

Night Fury Cam = 233/242 .629/.629 113+3

Fit4Ink · 06-16-2016, 08:40 PM

All depends on where you want the power at. What supporting mods do you have with the Vector Stage 2.5?

ecreps · 06-16-2016, 09:00 PM

I wouldn't think you would pick up more than like 15 peak HP, with a probably loss in power under say 3.5 or 4K.

Not worth the cash IMO.

Fit4Ink · 06-16-2016, 09:32 PM

That's where I was going with it I would either boost it or throw a 150 shot.

Bo White · 06-17-2016, 02:34 AM

Don't think its worth the swap.

WHAMMO · 06-17-2016, 02:40 AM

Dont do it. Get some ported GM heads instead. A true gain would be going for a solid roller LL from cam motion.

christianchevell · 06-17-2016, 07:12 AM

Yup not worth the change little difference and the LSA is still about the same with advance added also.

LaN- · 06-17-2016, 07:31 AM

Thanks for the replies guys. I finally updated my mod list in my signature. I'm thinking of doing the TSP ported heads as they are only $750 and reputable.

Other ideas i'm throwing around are a 25% UDP and maybe some water / meth injection to get some more timing and make the car run the same when its 60 or 90 degrees out.

Camaro Dude · 06-18-2016, 06:34 PM

Not much of an option that you left on the table if you ask me.

Answer would be negative.

Are there any swap options out there that would be worth doing?

Absolutely.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WHAMMO

Dont do it. Get some ported GM heads instead. A true gain would be going for a solid roller LL from cam motion.

+1 on the LL, for his application.

LaN- · 06-18-2016, 07:05 PM

What cam would be a better option for street?

Camaro Dude · 06-18-2016, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaN-

What cam would be a better option for street?

"For The Street" "for The Track" "for Occasional Track"....it's a hard line to read into....1/4 mile....1/8 mile....but after reading your first intro post, "for the street" doesn't seem to be the limiting factor here

.

Generally speaking, Hydraulic cam (like yours) is more livable for "street" and typical street end users.

LL cam is when the limiting factor, "street" quote on quote, doesn't apply anymore, and you want every available thing on the table to toss at it.

If you are going to do heads anyways, I would LL that sucker, and get my extra xx HP that I left behind

.

For NA that is.

LaN- · 06-19-2016, 04:26 AM

I did some research on the LL cam, still kinda confused about all of the finer details. What I'm gathering is its.....a lot of cost and possibly need new springs each year. Or am I missing something?

christianchevell · 06-19-2016, 08:05 AM

Solid rollers just need their Lash/preload measured are reverified /adjusted.... the problem with them is they do beat on the valve train more in some ways, not as in changing springs every year....

2010reddevil · 06-19-2016, 08:50 AM

Yeah a LLSR cam isn't really much harder on the valvetrain than any other aggressive hydraulic roller cam. The main thing is the added cost of better lifters and rocker arms. Periodically, you have to pull the valve covers and check the cold lash to make sure they're still in spec. Other than that, springs should last pretty much the same. They'll need to be replaced about 20-30k miles depending on how much you lean on the loud pedal.

06-16-2016, 06:27 PM	#1
LaN- Drives: 2014 SS Convertible Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 175	Advice on cam swap. I currently have the vector motorsports 2.5 cam and are looking for more power next year. Do you guys think it would be beneficial to swap out to something like the night fury? I hear about how well the torque on the NF cam is, but i don't know enough about cam specs. Any input is appreciated. Vector Stage 2.5 = 227/239 .613/.623 114+4 Night Fury Cam = 233/242 .629/.629 113+3

06-17-2016, 02:34 AM	#5
Bo White Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vance Alabama Posts: 8,019	Don't think its worth the swap. __________________ Retired wanna be cylinder head porter 2015 2SS 1LE Clutch reservoir, Vararam DRX, ported TB, TSP 2" headers, MGW shifter Totalled: 2010 1SS Wilkes Performance/Eagle 416 shortblock, TSP custom valvetrain, PRC 260 heads, Edelbrock Pro Flo 102, th400 swap, 8" PTC 5500 stall= 535/435 at the wheels tuned Gen 3 Performance and Dyno 10.97 @ 124 full weight in 3100 DA CamaroFest X

06-17-2016, 02:40 AM	#6
WHAMMO Drives: 13' 1LE Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,642	Dont do it. Get some ported GM heads instead. A true gain would be going for a solid roller LL from cam motion. __________________ 13' 1LE Old setup: TSP 231-236/Tick 660/.105 PR, UDP, SW LT 2'' & HFC, stock NPP & H pipe, VR-DRX CAI, air scoop, Goertz1 manifold, 102mm BBK, 26" Toyo DRs, Forgestars R17x10 & F18x8, rear seat delete, remote Pat G tune Autocal, 7400 limiter, Spec Mini Twin. 91oct. 11.90@122.3, 0-60ft 2.0 / 11.99@123.6, 0-60ft 2.1 DA+819 ...519RWHP SAE Solid roller SBE LS3, FED, LLSR, 91oct, 605rwhp N/A. Tuned by Pat G. Build by me.

06-17-2016, 07:12 AM	#7
christianchevell old school chevy rodder Drives: 2013 2SS/RS Manual,DM exhaust,CRT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,587 View My Garage	Yup not worth the change little difference and the LSA is still about the same with advance added also. __________________ 2021 Wild Cherry ZL1 A10, Sunroof, Data, Carbon, Nav, RotoFab Dry CAI, Elite x2, Borla ATK, Driveshaft shop

06-17-2016, 07:31 AM	#8
LaN- Drives: 2014 SS Convertible Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 175	Thanks for the replies guys. I finally updated my mod list in my signature. I'm thinking of doing the TSP ported heads as they are only $750 and reputable. Other ideas i'm throwing around are a 25% UDP and maybe some water / meth injection to get some more timing and make the car run the same when its 60 or 90 degrees out. __________________ Engine: LSA Conversion, Ported Heads, 1 7/8 headers, VMS 2.5 Cam, Roto Fab intake, ADM Scoop. BMR engine mounts, 3.91 628/525 Suspension: Koni orange, (BMR everything) 1" drop springs, toe rods, trailer arms, non adjustable LCR, FE4 sway bars, sub frame connectors, delrin sub frame bushing and upper control arm bushings. Front bushings.

06-16-2016, 08:40 PM	#2
Fit4Ink Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Hawaii Posts: 75	All depends on where you want the power at. What supporting mods do you have with the Vector Stage 2.5?

06-16-2016, 09:00 PM	#3
ecreps Drives: 2014 1LE, 1996 z28 Join Date: May 2015 Location: United States Posts: 172	I wouldn't think you would pick up more than like 15 peak HP, with a probably loss in power under say 3.5 or 4K. Not worth the cash IMO.

06-16-2016, 09:32 PM	#4
Fit4Ink Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Hawaii Posts: 75	That's where I was going with it I would either boost it or throw a 150 shot.

06-18-2016, 07:05 PM	#10
LaN- Drives: 2014 SS Convertible Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 175	What cam would be a better option for street? __________________ Engine: LSA Conversion, Ported Heads, 1 7/8 headers, VMS 2.5 Cam, Roto Fab intake, ADM Scoop. BMR engine mounts, 3.91 628/525 Suspension: Koni orange, (BMR everything) 1" drop springs, toe rods, trailer arms, non adjustable LCR, FE4 sway bars, sub frame connectors, delrin sub frame bushing and upper control arm bushings. Front bushings.

06-19-2016, 04:26 AM	#12
LaN- Drives: 2014 SS Convertible Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 175	I did some research on the LL cam, still kinda confused about all of the finer details. What I'm gathering is its.....a lot of cost and possibly need new springs each year. Or am I missing something? __________________ Engine: LSA Conversion, Ported Heads, 1 7/8 headers, VMS 2.5 Cam, Roto Fab intake, ADM Scoop. BMR engine mounts, 3.91 628/525 Suspension: Koni orange, (BMR everything) 1" drop springs, toe rods, trailer arms, non adjustable LCR, FE4 sway bars, sub frame connectors, delrin sub frame bushing and upper control arm bushings. Front bushings.

06-19-2016, 08:05 AM	#13
christianchevell old school chevy rodder Drives: 2013 2SS/RS Manual,DM exhaust,CRT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,587 View My Garage	Solid rollers just need their Lash/preload measured are reverified /adjusted.... the problem with them is they do beat on the valve train more in some ways, not as in changing springs every year.... __________________ 2021 Wild Cherry ZL1 A10, Sunroof, Data, Carbon, Nav, RotoFab Dry CAI, Elite x2, Borla ATK, Driveshaft shop

06-19-2016, 08:50 AM	#14
2010reddevil Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Victory Red 6M Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Gulf Coast, TX Posts: 1,424	Yeah a LLSR cam isn't really much harder on the valvetrain than any other aggressive hydraulic roller cam. The main thing is the added cost of better lifters and rocker arms. Periodically, you have to pull the valve covers and check the cold lash to make sure they're still in spec. Other than that, springs should last pretty much the same. They'll need to be replaced about 20-30k miles depending on how much you lean on the loud pedal. __________________ 2011 2SS 6A Red Jewel Metallic, Vararam Tune CAI, Magnaflow 3" Competition c/b, Speed Engineering 1-7/8 LT's, Circle D 5C, M/T 275/40R20 S/S, HPTuners tune by Ryan@GPI 12.3 @ 112 ACM as of 12/22/19 Gone on 12/28/19 R I P 2010 2SS 6M Victory Red/Black (old ride) CAI intake, Speed Engineering 1 7/8" LT's, X4 base tune, Flowmaster Outlaw axle-back. 12.6 @ 115 SAR as of 9/19/15 Gone but never forgotten.