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JANNETTYRACING · 08-18-2009, 10:31 AM

Hey guys I thought you would enjoy this info.

We are doing an install of ARE headers W/C and Maganaflow axle back then dyno tune using HP Tuners.

We just baselined the car 5 pulls averaged for 370 RWHP and 370 RWTQ. with a best pull of 375 RWHP and 375 RWTQ and a hot soaked 360 RWHP and 360 RWTQ.

We will install the exhaust systems then dyno again untuned then tune it and dyno again and post the results.

We are video recording the highlights and will post a video in the next few days after we edit footage to keep it to down to the important stuff.

Ted.

pharmd · 08-18-2009, 10:45 AM

sounds good!

thecamaroguy · 08-18-2009, 10:45 AM

Cant' wait to see the results!

JANNETTYRACING · 08-18-2009, 04:50 PM

Here is a tease to hold you over till I can sit down and crunch the numbers, Still Working on the Tune there are a few more ponies hidden in there.LOL

JANNETTYRACING · 08-19-2009, 10:57 AM

Starting with a fully warmed up engine strapped to the Superflow Chassis dyno, we did 5 pulls for each combination, took our average from each group and compared RWHP and RWTQ.

The American Racing headers W/Cs coupled to the Magnaflow Axle back system requires 2 stainless 2 1/2 inch pipes to connect the 2 systems 1-9 inches and 1-4.5 inches long along with some carefull twisting and aligning it all worked pretty well.

This provided an honest and solid repeatable 28 RWHP and 25 RWTQ.

A tune without being overly agressive with timing, keeping Knock retard to under 1 degree, cleaned up the air fuel ratio to a flat 12.5:1 again safe, worked with the torque management, turned off Skip shift, raised speed limiter, lowered fan turn on temps.

Netted us another honest solid and repeatable 9 HP and 12 RWTQ for a total gain of 37 RWHP and 37 RWTQ.

Total numbers were 410 RWHP 407 RWTQ.

I realize these numbers are lower than advertised but I assure you they are accurate and repeatable.

Engine oil temp plays a major roll in the power to the wheels so if your not paying attention you can easliy show the lowest numbers against the highest numbers.

This is the main reason we do 5 pulls for each combination.

We also pulled the air filter from the stock air box and made 1 HP and 1 TQ, so I will be curious to see if the cold air system really make what they advertise.

The most impressive thing is how this car drives with the torque managment adjusted, Throttle Response is Amazing, Feels more like 50 HP from the Seat O Pants Meter.

Ted.

JANNETTYRACING · 08-20-2009, 04:02 PM

Penny for your thoughts?

CDBiker220 · 08-20-2009, 04:56 PM

You said you needed (2) 1.5" pipes to connect the AR Headers system to the axle back system. Why 1.5", wouldnt that be a restriction in an exhaust that is 2.5"?

JANNETTYRACING · 08-21-2009, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDBiker220

You said you needed (2) 1.5" pipes to connect the AR Headers system to the axle back system. Why 1.5", wouldnt that be a restriction in an exhaust that is 2.5"?

Typo, Sorry, Edited.

CDBiker220 · 08-21-2009, 10:17 AM

Yea I figured it was just a typo but had to ask. Numbers look pretty good, about 40 hp with bolt ons is not bad. I was curious exactly what the torque management on the LS3 is doing and how much of it there is? Does it have a noticeable impact on acceleration by adjusting it?

themossman · 08-21-2009, 10:37 AM

Nice and honest...

Vengeance did something similar when they were building mine and the ARH netted 28.69RWHP 23.58RWTQ.

You can see additional info in my build thread....

So...between you and them...I think we have a pretty honest answer. Mine was done in Atlanta in the summer, so it was hot and humid...but, then...so was the baseline

JANNETTYRACING · 08-21-2009, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDBiker220

Yea I figured it was just a typo but had to ask. Numbers look pretty good, about 40 hp with bolt ons is not bad. I was curious exactly what the torque management on the LS3 is doing and how much of it there is? Does it have a noticeable impact on acceleration by adjusting it?

The torque managament is the single biggest difference in the street performance.

When I adjust it, the engine gets to full throttle quicker which makes if feel like 50 hp.

Torque management does not show up on the dyno it shows up on the street.

Ted.

JANNETTYRACING · 08-29-2009, 08:46 AM

Bump for new members to see.

Daddyo01545 · 08-29-2009, 11:26 AM

Base numbers look at bit high...was this done on the dyno with a load? Or just sitting on top of the dyno? What was the weather conditions on baseline? Thanks for additional information.

JANNETTYRACING · 08-29-2009, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daddyo01545

Base numbers look at bit high...was this done on the dyno with a load? Or just sitting on top of the dyno? What was the weather conditions on baseline? Thanks for additional information.

With a Superflow Dyno with or without a load makes no difference, because it measures torque at the wheel.

The only difference is how long the RPM Sweep takes, Tested this hundreds of times.

Baseline and finish were done same day 90 degrees throughout the day.

The car was fully broken in and fully warmed up oil temps were held consistant.

These cars gain 10 hp just getting the oil up to temp.

Ted.

08-18-2009, 10:31 AM	#1
JANNETTYRACING Drives: BLUE CAMARO ZL1 1LE M6 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: ON THE DYNO WATERBURY CT. Posts: 15,225	DYNO, INSTALL, DYNO, TUNE, DYNO Hey guys I thought you would enjoy this info. We are doing an install of ARE headers W/C and Maganaflow axle back then dyno tune using HP Tuners. We just baselined the car 5 pulls averaged for 370 RWHP and 370 RWTQ. with a best pull of 375 RWHP and 375 RWTQ and a hot soaked 360 RWHP and 360 RWTQ. We will install the exhaust systems then dyno again untuned then tune it and dyno again and post the results. We are video recording the highlights and will post a video in the next few days after we edit footage to keep it to down to the important stuff. Ted. __________________ www.jannettyracing.com Celebrating 37 years Performance parts, Installation, Fabrication, Dyno tuning, Remote custom tuning, and alignments. 203-753-7223 Waterbury CT. 06705 email tedj@jannettyracing.com

08-18-2009, 10:45 AM	#2
pharmd Master of Medicine Drives: 4th Gen Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 784	sounds good! __________________ 2002 Camaro SS. 408 LS2. 500+RWHP/480RWTQ. Full UMI RR suspension. Koni/Strano. 295F/315R. 3500#(55/45)

08-18-2009, 04:50 PM	#4
JANNETTYRACING Drives: BLUE CAMARO ZL1 1LE M6 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: ON THE DYNO WATERBURY CT. Posts: 15,225	Here is a tease to hold you over till I can sit down and crunch the numbers, Still Working on the Tune there are a few more ponies hidden in there.LOL Attached Images __________________ www.jannettyracing.com Celebrating 37 years Performance parts, Installation, Fabrication, Dyno tuning, Remote custom tuning, and alignments. 203-753-7223 Waterbury CT. 06705 email tedj@jannettyracing.com

08-19-2009, 10:57 AM	#5
JANNETTYRACING Drives: BLUE CAMARO ZL1 1LE M6 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: ON THE DYNO WATERBURY CT. Posts: 15,225	The Real Results No padding here Starting with a fully warmed up engine strapped to the Superflow Chassis dyno, we did 5 pulls for each combination, took our average from each group and compared RWHP and RWTQ. The American Racing headers W/Cs coupled to the Magnaflow Axle back system requires 2 stainless 2 1/2 inch pipes to connect the 2 systems 1-9 inches and 1-4.5 inches long along with some carefull twisting and aligning it all worked pretty well. This provided an honest and solid repeatable 28 RWHP and 25 RWTQ. A tune without being overly agressive with timing, keeping Knock retard to under 1 degree, cleaned up the air fuel ratio to a flat 12.5:1 again safe, worked with the torque management, turned off Skip shift, raised speed limiter, lowered fan turn on temps. Netted us another honest solid and repeatable 9 HP and 12 RWTQ for a total gain of 37 RWHP and 37 RWTQ. Total numbers were 410 RWHP 407 RWTQ. I realize these numbers are lower than advertised but I assure you they are accurate and repeatable. Engine oil temp plays a major roll in the power to the wheels so if your not paying attention you can easliy show the lowest numbers against the highest numbers. This is the main reason we do 5 pulls for each combination. We also pulled the air filter from the stock air box and made 1 HP and 1 TQ, so I will be curious to see if the cold air system really make what they advertise. The most impressive thing is how this car drives with the torque managment adjusted, Throttle Response is Amazing, Feels more like 50 HP from the Seat O Pants Meter. Ted. Attached Images __________________ www.jannettyracing.com Celebrating 37 years Performance parts, Installation, Fabrication, Dyno tuning, Remote custom tuning, and alignments. 203-753-7223 Waterbury CT. 06705 email tedj@jannettyracing.com Last edited by JANNETTYRACING; 08-21-2009 at 07:05 AM.

08-20-2009, 04:02 PM	#6
JANNETTYRACING Drives: BLUE CAMARO ZL1 1LE M6 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: ON THE DYNO WATERBURY CT. Posts: 15,225	Penny for your thoughts? __________________ www.jannettyracing.com Celebrating 37 years Performance parts, Installation, Fabrication, Dyno tuning, Remote custom tuning, and alignments. 203-753-7223 Waterbury CT. 06705 email tedj@jannettyracing.com

08-18-2009, 10:45 AM	#3
thecamaroguy Drives: 2020 ZLE 67 SS350 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 537	Cant' wait to see the results!

08-20-2009, 04:56 PM	#7
CDBiker220 Drives: 98 camaro z28 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: pittsburgh, pa Posts: 189	You said you needed (2) 1.5" pipes to connect the AR Headers system to the axle back system. Why 1.5", wouldnt that be a restriction in an exhaust that is 2.5"?

08-21-2009, 10:17 AM	#9
CDBiker220 Drives: 98 camaro z28 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: pittsburgh, pa Posts: 189	Yea I figured it was just a typo but had to ask. Numbers look pretty good, about 40 hp with bolt ons is not bad. I was curious exactly what the torque management on the LS3 is doing and how much of it there is? Does it have a noticeable impact on acceleration by adjusting it?

08-21-2009, 10:37 AM	#10
themossman Apprehensive Optimist Drives: '10 SS/RS SIM Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: JAX Posts: 1,383	Nice and honest... Vengeance did something similar when they were building mine and the ARH netted 28.69RWHP 23.58RWTQ. You can see additional info in my build thread.... So...between you and them...I think we have a pretty honest answer. Mine was done in Atlanta in the summer, so it was hot and humid...but, then...so was the baseline __________________ Car is for sale --->http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158486 Current Summary: Engine:Phase One-(All work by Vengeance Racing): Custom Cam, AR Headers, ported throttle body, ported intake, custom tune, dual valve springs, hardened push rods, under drive pulley, thermostat, Vararam CAI, C5R timing chain, Melling oil pump catch can, breather, MagnaFlow Sport Axle Back Suspension: Pfadt Sport Sway Bars, Pfadt drop springs Other: MGW Shifter, Custom Paint my build journal ---->http://camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30057

08-29-2009, 08:46 AM	#12
JANNETTYRACING Drives: BLUE CAMARO ZL1 1LE M6 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: ON THE DYNO WATERBURY CT. Posts: 15,225	Bump for new members to see. __________________ www.jannettyracing.com Celebrating 37 years Performance parts, Installation, Fabrication, Dyno tuning, Remote custom tuning, and alignments. 203-753-7223 Waterbury CT. 06705 email tedj@jannettyracing.com

08-29-2009, 11:26 AM	#13
Daddyo01545 New England C5 Member Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Shrewsbury, MA Posts: 144 View My Garage	Base numbers look at bit high...was this done on the dyno with a load? Or just sitting on top of the dyno? What was the weather conditions on baseline? Thanks for additional information.

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