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Old 12-04-2009, 03:54 PM   #57
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Because very few would be able to afford them. Not to mention the crisis that it is still going on and with unemployment rates increasing every day...
Small budget, very well done quality cars is what GM needs to be doing.
Ford has their new Focus for example... let's be honest people, take a look, sit in them and then compare. They are very nice compared to GM counterparts.

GM, Sounds to me that the bleeding must stop before it gets gangrene... anyways, an indebted company should payoff their bills first before they go out and spend again. JMHO.
you can't compete in a very competative business by doing that!
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Old 12-04-2009, 03:55 PM   #58
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wow you got power. but you would still not have a Z28. sheesh. the Z28 isn't all about power. but you probably think it is because everyone and their brother wants the LSA 550+hp car. on top of the fact there's something wrong with your plan. No factory warranty. a Z28 would offer that. oh well. I'm tired of trying to educate the masses on why the Z28 isn't just power.
Yeah, it's kind of like trying to get the masses to understand that a GT500 is not just a Mustang GT with some badges and a blower on it. I feel your pain.
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Old 12-04-2009, 04:01 PM   #59
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I agree that GM needs to focus on core vehicles, but the Malibu already is a very good car. The HHR will be replaced with the Chevy Orlando, which looks to be a very good vehicle. The Aveo is getting completely redesigned as will be the Impala. GM needs to develop a new small truck to replace the current Canyon/Colorado truck...hopefully it will look something like the truck recently featured on thelab.gmblogs.com.
Yes, but to be blunt on average Ford's sedans and SUVs are more up to date & better looking (just went to the Intl. Auto Show). Chevy needs to redo their corporate front end styling (can you say dated & conservative). But, Chevy wins in average MPG.
And, a BIG NO contest the Camaro wins over the Mustang in all catagories!
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Old 12-04-2009, 04:16 PM   #60
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Yes, but to be blunt on average Ford's sedans and SUVs are more up to date & better looking (just went to the Intl. Auto Show). Chevy needs to redo their corporate front end styling (can you say dated & conservative). But, Chevy wins in average MPG.
And, a BIG NO contest the Camaro wins over the Mustang in all catagories!
I disagree about Ford's SUV's. My wife and I recently drove a bunch of small SUV's and the Chevy Equinox absolutely crushed the Ford Escape in all ways...styling, interior, features, price, and fuel economy. IMO, to get a design job at Ford...they give you an ink-blot test during the interview and if you answer "Bread Box" to three or more questions, you get the job. Across their products, Ford has the worst sense of styling.
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Old 12-04-2009, 04:28 PM   #61
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I disagree about Ford's SUV's. My wife and I recently drove a bunch of small SUV's and the Chevy Equinox absolutely crushed the Ford Escape in all ways...styling, interior, features, price, and fuel economy. IMO, to get a design job at Ford...they give you an ink-blot test during the interview and if you answer "Bread Box" to three or more questions, you get the job. Across their products, Ford has the worst sense of styling.
I wont agree or disagree about any of this other than the mileage. The Equinox only get's 1 mpg better on the highway, but what does it get in the city? The Escape get's 34 in the city and I could'nt find what the Equinox get's but I'm almost positive it's not nearly as good.
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Old 12-04-2009, 04:37 PM   #62
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I wont agree or disagree about any of this other than the mileage. The Equinox only get's 1 mpg better on the highway, but what does it get in the city? The Escape get's 34 in the city and I could'nt find what the Equinox get's but I'm almost positive it's not nearly as good.
since when does the escape get 34 city? I mean the hybrid is getting that but a regular escape? pulled straight off www.fordvehicles.com *EPA-estimated 22 city/28 hwy mpg with I-4 manual, FWD. EPA-estimated 28 hwy with I-4 automatic, FWD. wonder why the auto doesn't have a city number next to it. . .hmmm. lets see the equinox gets 22c /32 hwy for FWD. AWD 20/29.

I'm not saying which is better, but if you're going to spout off numbers make sure you're comparing apples to apples. the 34 city is hybrids and that starts out at 31k. the equinox starts out at 22. which if I remember correctly the normal escape starts out around that to.
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Old 12-04-2009, 04:51 PM   #63
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since when does the escape get 34 city? I mean the hybrid is getting that but a regular escape? pulled straight off www.fordvehicles.com *EPA-estimated 22 city/28 hwy mpg with I-4 manual, FWD. EPA-estimated 28 hwy with I-4 automatic, FWD. wonder why the auto doesn't have a city number next to it. . .hmmm.

if you're going to spout off numbers make sure you're comparing apples to apples. the 34 city is hybrids and that starts out at 31k. the equinox starts out at 22. which if I remember correctly the normal escape starts out around that to.
I guess if that's the way you want to look at it that's your choice but there was no mention of price the only thing mentioned was mpg. However I choose to look at wich one offer's the best mpg. There's no doubt the Equinox is the better value, if it was'nt then I would'nt own one myself.
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Old 12-04-2009, 04:51 PM   #64
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Do we really need both a CTS-V coupe and a Z28?

Caddy is a go, so just step a few bucks and get a better built car that will be just as sexy as the Z28.
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They will bring the z out for the 45th anni.

For sure.
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Old 12-04-2009, 05:04 PM   #66
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Do we really need both a CTS-V coupe and a Z28?

Caddy is a go, so just step a few bucks and get a better built car that will be just as sexy as the Z28.
a few bucks? the cts-v right now sits around 60k starting out. the Z28 will be aimed a lot lower then that. 50k max starting out. do we really need the cts coupe?
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Old 12-04-2009, 05:06 PM   #67
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I guess if that's the way you want to look at it that's your choice but there was no mention of price the only thing mentioned was mpg. However I choose to look at wich one offer's the best mpg. There's no doubt the Equinox is the better value, if it was'nt then I would'nt own one myself.
when I compare cars I look at price range and value. for me an escape hybrid starting out at 31 is too much. for what it offers. but personally I wouldn't buy either one. I'd either buy a truck (hate borrowing others trucks to get yard work done) or a car. SUV's kinda seem pointless for my life style. I know for most they don't.
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Old 12-04-2009, 05:18 PM   #68
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I wont agree or disagree about any of this other than the mileage. The Equinox only get's 1 mpg better on the highway, but what does it get in the city? The Escape get's 34 in the city and I could'nt find what the Equinox get's but I'm almost positive it's not nearly as good.
Somebody forgot to explain to Ford about sound-dampening material. The Escape has none...all my wife and I could hear was road noise when we drove it...loud road noise. And the Escape does not get 34mpg.
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6.2L DI V8 (Gen V motor) would have been a great debut for this car. high out put and they could keep costs down so they could do suspension and maybe weight loss.
Now that would be impressive. Although knowing GM I could see them saving the Gen V for the Corvette first. Rumors also say the Gen V DI would be lower displacement in the 5.5L range.

Really the Z/28 wouldn't even need the Gen V. A 3650lb, 475-500hp LSx, with upgraded suspension and brakes would satisfy all the purists and power hungry fans because it would flat out run. Vendor/suppliers like SLP and Pedders can get the propper hardware in place to really get a limited edition Z/28 lighter and quicker. GM has turned to them in the past, 1996 Z28SS...
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Now that would be impressive. Although knowing GM I could see them saving the Gen V for the Corvette first. Rumors also say the Gen V DI would be lower displacement in the 5.5L range.

Really the Z/28 wouldn't even need the Gen V. A 3650lb, 475-500hp LSx, with upgraded suspension and brakes would satisfy all the purists and power hungry fans because it would flat out run. Vendor/suppliers like SLP and Pedders can get the propper hardware in place to really get a limited edition Z/28 lighter and quicker. GM has turned to them in the past, 1996 Z28SS...
the 5.5 rumor mill is due to the GT2 class the corvette is going into. but that doesn't limit it's displacement for production vehicles. the 5.5 race motor is going to push around 475 hp. so production 5.5 would probably push about 50 hp less. maybe who knows. depends on reliability testing.

SLP came to GM with we want to do an SS. they built SS's for 2 years then supplied the parts to GM from 98 to 02.
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