01-05-2012, 06:47 PM | #57 | |
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WOW! LOWDOWN. Exquisite articulation. I'm speechless... Don't know you, but you "got the gift"....... nice read. Thanks |
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01-05-2012, 07:06 PM | #58 |
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Agreed....and to Lowdowns Who reference ;"The Who sang it best: ZEE me, Feel me, Touch me, Heal me!"...and I ad another one if I may.."The Real Me" ...I went to my mother, I zaid I'm crazy, ma, help me....she zaid I know how it feelz son, 'cuz it runz in the family....can you Zee the real me mother, mother...can you see Zee the real me, can ya, can ya....<my alltime favorite group> Very much indeed do I look forward to blast Quadraphenia, Tommy, Who's Next etc... in my new Z.
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01-05-2012, 07:24 PM | #59 |
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01-05-2012, 07:28 PM | #60 | |
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01-05-2012, 07:53 PM | #61 | |
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As well, MRC spread over two programs (if not three: ZL1, Z/28 and perhaps 1LE based on an LS3-engined SS) aids unit cost and, therefore, pricing and profitability. A "unique-to-ZEE" suspension might end up costing essentially the SAME as an MRC-equipped car. And the vast majority of Z/28s will likely never actively enjoy the Streets of Willow...most WILL enjoy the streets of Detroit et al, frost heaves 'n all... For those who WILL run in a sanctioned Series forbidding MRC, I absolutely expect GMPP to have the requisite homologated mechanical suspension (with a Pedders sticker on it, somewhere...) readily available from Hometown Chevy. In fact, it may already have a Part #... Moving forward (i.e. Gen-6 Camaro), I foresee wider use of electronic suspension systems as vehicles decrease in size (by necessity) but consumers are not willing to accept "crapcan" ride 'n handling... Again, conjecture...combined with a smidgeon of wishful thinking...but it IS my $.02... Addendum: As to the "gray hair" comment/guess, I'll confirm that to be true...what little there IS... . |
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01-05-2012, 08:07 PM | #62 | |
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By the way the Viper that broke the record was a new ACR withh stock tires... straight off the shoroom floor. The hardcore ACR that ran the 7:03 was also stock and off the showroom floor. 7:12 to 7:41 is a LIFETIME at the Ring... so much so that you cant possibly make a ridiculous statement (like you did) without loosing credibility. |
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01-05-2012, 08:52 PM | #65 | |
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Buckboard...as in what a Viper rides like. Ever ridden in a Viper? Ever DRIVEN a Viper? Ever SEEN an ACR? What tires come on them? R-compounds. Good for a second or two a lap at any track...and a few more seconds at the 'Ring... As for comparing (or expecting) a ZEE to a 2008 Viper ACR, not in this dreamland, DICK. YOU, DICK, are the one draggin' a Used Viper into this conversation...like it's relevant...so I tried (futilely, to you, of course...) to bring some relevancy to your 'Ring-around-a-racetrack banter. Real relevancy would be for Mother Mopar to bring a production-built Challenger to the 'Ring...and do what its name sez: Challenge! Instead of spectate... Tell ya what, DICK, bring your Fiat ACR to the 'Ring, allow GM to do similar mods to their ZR1, and we'll have a lil "run what ya brung, southern-style". Keep your Tag-Heuer timepiece handy...this won't take long... |
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01-05-2012, 09:06 PM | #66 | |
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I also didnt start the comparison between the Viper and Camaro... I just made a point that you cant call a Viper a rustbucket while using Ring times as a standard. What would that make the Camaro??? Yes its not a fair comparion of the two cars but neither is talking it down when you have never sat in one much less owned one. I woned an 2004 Viper and it was one of the most inspiring cars I have ever driven... and hada much better build quality than the Camaro... but I would still never call either one of them garbage... or worn out. Oh and on a side note to Lowdown, you might want to see what Fiat has done with Chrysler. I rode in a new SRT-8 Jeep the other day and the build quality was phenominal. The interior was better than what I have seen in the BMW X5 and the power was impressive. Sure I am not happy that Fiat owns and American automanufacturer but our government didnt give Chrysler much choice. Andseeing how Chrysler sales were up 26% last year compared to GMs 13 % I guess they have figured something out. Hopefully GM and Ford will follow because I think overall American cars are lacking a little in quality. |
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01-05-2012, 09:11 PM | #67 |
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My friendZ,
Please notice I've stayed out of this conversation today. There is no rhyme or reason as to what is being spewed forth by some (we know who it is). I admonish all to move on as I have. Please let's get back to our regularly scheduled programZ. Sincerely From your, Zbrother |
01-05-2012, 09:12 PM | #68 | |
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And by the way, GM brough their ZR1 to the Ring and guess what... it couldnt beat the Lexus. They had plenty of time to set it up and made plenty of runs. The Viper was off the showroom floor and was FACTORY... and is NA. So get a clue before you keep making yourself look bad. DICK. And how did the challenger come into this? I wouldnt own one of those if it was given to me... or another Mustang. I will allow you to live in peace in since you get so spun up. I see you cant handle conversation with anyone that has a differing opinion... without becoming an internet badass. Nice avatar by the way, is it yours??? Last edited by htp autoworks; 01-05-2012 at 09:25 PM. |
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01-05-2012, 09:24 PM | #70 | |
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Think about it, in 2002 a 345hp Camaro got crappier mileage than my 500lb heavier, 70hp more Camaro.....Also, the Z06 Corvette was the first and only 500+hp car to not be tagged with the gas guzzler tax. It CAN happen.... and quite honestly, it's not that big of a stretch to do it.... There are cars on the market right now with proper tuning are getting 3-5mpg better than what they are rated for...easily..
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