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i would say that a 5.7 350 is a decent sized V8...not an especially huge one, but its not small.
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I don't know, I appreciate all cars and I definitely think the 370Z is a great looking car and the numbers it's putting out are impressive.
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it's all preference, I know what you're saying because I drive my bro's charger to get the torquey 'round town, low rpm, V8 and I enjoy it fully, but it takes nothing away from what makes the 370z a unique car- they're not the same driving experience for sure, but it won't be long before every other car on the road is a camaro again, and the 370z will at least still be somewhat rare in comparison. And any V6 which competes directly with some of the best v8's on the market impresses me. |
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As for the V6 competing with the best V8's, not quite. The car itself can run close 1/4 mile times to some V8 equipped cars, but thats because its lighter, not because it matches them in power. If you put the 370's V6 in the Camaro SS, it would be a complete dog. And if you put the LS3 in the 370Z, it would be running high 11's. GM's 3.6L V6 is actually a much better design than Nissan's VQ. Nissan's best N/A V6 produces 330HP - GM's mainstream V6 produces 300HP. Not exacty a huge gap. And GM's V6 still has more torque, gets better fuel economy, and is much better built - its got a fully forged crank and rods. Nissan's VQ is an open deck 2 bolt block, which is an inherently weak and not an ideal design for any engine. And everyone who gave me props - thanks |
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Then all of a sudden they get a regular production model and it's running low 12's at 114MPH?? Coincidence?? I think not. Nissan is pathetic enough that they need to send out ringers to make their cars look like they perform better. There's no way the heavier automatic 370Z should be running faster - let alone the same times - as the manual equipped version, especially with the VQ's inherent lack of low end power, hindering any hard launches. That, coupled with the fact that automatics (especially 6 speeds) have much higher parasitic losses than a manual transmission, makes those times seem highly suspect. |
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I work on a variety of both American and Japanese cars every day. Even some German. I see how things are designed, put together, and how the cars themselves drive. I take notice of the details, the way a car shifts, the design of the suspension, the way the engine sounds, how the clutch takeup is, ect. I often research the designs of engines to see where problem areas are. And thats where I draw my conclusions from. And from the japanese cars I've worked on, I've rarely been impressed by any of them, especially in terms of the way they sound and drive. My friend's STI's shifter might as well be a stick in a box of rocks, thats how imprecise and sloppy it is, on a car with only 20K miles. Its also a non-forged factory boosted motor running 14.7PSI - a monkey could tell you thats a bad idea. We had a low mileage 2.5 STi engine in the shop just recently that spun the rod bearings and was being completely rebuilt. Things like that matter. In fact, I have a VW Jetta apart right now, pulled the entire engine and trans out and installed a new clutch at the same time. European cars are hit and miss, some things are bulletproof in design, other things make you wonder how anyone could be so stupid to design something like that. |
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Why would you want to do that? Let it be. Btw, nice sig. |
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Obviously you didn't read my post, you skimmed it and got all bent out of shape because I didn't "respect" your Nissan. Read it again. I'll say it again - the 370Z can only run with the Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger because its much, much lighter. Its a 3.7L V6 putting down somewhere around 270HP at the wheels, engine wise there is no comparison. Like I said, if you put that engine in the Camaro, it would be slow as molasses. LS3>>>VQ37 regardless of the vehicles that they are in. End of story, there is no debate. You bring up any aspect of the VQ you can think of, the LS series is better in every way. Power, sound, reliability, design, fuel economy, everything. As for the VQ engine being inherently weak, I backed that up with the facts about its design, which you obviously neglected to read, or more likely you just had no idea what they meant so you skipped over that part too. I "shouted" no "insults" in my last post. I merely stated the facts about the car and its design. |
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