08-16-2013, 10:51 AM | #29 | |
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....Still, it does make you wonder....Air-bags, imo, are a supplemental and last resort for a serious crash...lower speeds, front or side, wear your seat-belts. They prevent injury more than air-bags... |
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08-16-2013, 10:59 AM | #30 | |
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Please read this again from the NHTSA on side air bag deployment:
Side airbags: Because of the small space between an occupant and the side of the vehicle, side airbags must deploy very quickly to cushion occupants from intruding vehicles or objects. Some airbags typically deploy within the first 10-20 milliseconds of a side crash. "Must deploy" thresholds can be as low as 8 mph for narrow object crashes (e.g., trees and poles) and 18 mph for the more distributed side crashes (vehicle-to-vehicle crashes). Several auto manufacturers deploy the side airbags in frontal crashes to help control occupant movement during the rebound phase of a crash. According to the criteria here the impact would not have caused the side airbag to deploy. Quote:
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OP, hope your wife comes out of this with no lasting effects, and I hope you find the answers you need, be it in the courtroom or not.
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I think it's about the same thickness as the paint, and we all know how thin that is...
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08-16-2013, 03:44 PM | #36 |
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Glad your kids are OK and hope your wife will be back to 100% very soon.
On a side note, a buddy of mine worked on designing the air bag control modules for our cars. Most of his work was put into the 2010's though. We always joked that if I ever got into an accident and my airbag didn't go off. He would be the first one to get an angry call from me. But as others have said it is a complex system and designed to react to impact very quickly. If it didn't deploy chances are the computer calculated that it was not necessary. And it would be a lot more expensive to fix if they would have.
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Man I know how it feels, Going to cost me 3000 to have mine fixed.
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Nine years as a collision investigator I would have to say that the collision does not look that serious (judging by the photos only). Hard to judge without seeing photos of any intrusion into the passenger compartment. If you have a friend on a local police department you can ask them to download the "black box" info and see what was going on. Since there was no deployment the data will only be there for a certain amount of ignition turns before it is overwritten.
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GM may choose to have TRW download the SDM (airbag module) info. It does record data when "an event" is recorded, even if the computer decided "the event" isn't enough to deploy the bags or belts. The report will contain some info on forward acceleration, lateral accel, roll angle, etc - but they will not give you the entire report, namely the conclusion pages. I can only deduce what GM really wants to pull the data for and not provide the entire report. Like some others have said, the data is overwritten after some number of ignition cycles. Good luck with the repairs.
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good to know the car my family travels in can withstand an impact from a really large vehicle.. I hope there are no long term injuries for your wife. My wife was in an accident in our '62 Nova (yeah..bummer) and her shoulder hit the side of the door, seemed like a bad bruise at the time, but 15 years later, that shoulder still gives her trouble.
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First, hope everyone recovers physically and emotionally a crash is rough no matte what. Simply tensing up from the impact and even anticipation of the impact can leave you sore for some time.
Angrybird has done all the research and posted what I would have posted. I've done Safety and Crashworthiness and there are so many factors that have to be considered. It isn't simply matter of being hit or hitting something. The sensors have to detect acceleration in the correct direction to deploy. Based on the peel of the door, it looks like it wasn't a direct side impact but a side hit from the front quarter. If a Hummer hit you pure side impact the damage would be across a much wider area of the side of your Camaro, likely wheel to wheel. Also for those questioning the "American Steel", the door outer panel is pretty much decorative. What protects you is the door beam. This is typically a high strength or martensitic steel which is far stronger than the rest of the door sheetmetal alone could ever accomplish. It spans the hinges to the latch. Modern cars are wonders for absorbing the energy of pretty severe crashes. Just watching a frontal or side impact test is pretty intense. Being involved in one is a completely different level. Again, hope everyone is ok, but from what you described and what I see in the photo, I'm not surprised the SIAB did not deploy.
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08-16-2013, 07:54 PM | #42 |
The door panel was compressed against the dash and passenger seat. You can see the dash folded around the vent and you cant close the glove box. If you try to recline the seat you get lots of friction from the door panel. Of course the interior panel is separated from the outer so glass was everywhere, on my kids, in their seats, all over wife and some on me , but for me most was at my feet on the floor. It was definately something I will never forget.
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