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*radz28* · 02-02-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Black GT

For a car that they are advertising to be a track car, why did GM cut all the turns out of the track configuration?

from what I understand, they (GM) designed the course for that day.

2012ZL1 · 02-02-2012, 12:35 PM

lol

htron50 · 02-02-2012, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OldJedi

I like cats but would rather not have one stuck in my vacuum cleaner. Much less drive around with it. The ZL1 looks much better going around the track while the GT-R still looks like a Nissan. I know with four wheel drive and a twin turbo V-6 it is a heck of a competitor, but it never really did very much for me. The ZL1 sounded much better also. You just can't beat the sound of a V-8 accelerating. So, for me I would rather keep the $40,000 difference and be more more comfortable driving around too.

I have to agree with Jedi on this. It just "looks" NissanISH. It almost looks Altima or Maxima like. It's looks are just not appealing. OK. I hate to repeat myself. Sorry. You lured me back in this. grrrrrrrrr.... Oh ... I forgot. I saw in Car and Driver that the GTR required transmission COOL DOWNs after four drag runs. So, it was intimating that the endurance systems are minus some cooling capacities BUILT IN to the ZL1. So the GTR was good for a few runs, but then had to get some R & R. Just saying...

I am fully content with the Motor Trend review. There is a few very common threads running through all the reviews. EVERY ONE IS POSITIVE. What more could you ask for? At this price...... what are your options with regards to Global Design Award winning cars? NADA. ZL1 CONGRATS my soon to be housemate!

2ndCamaro79 · 02-02-2012, 12:38 PM

Ok, we have seen the ZL1 and Boss go at it. We have seen the ZL1 and the GT-R(pointless comparison), I think we are ready to see the ZL1 vs the 2012 Shelby. Now that the ZL1 is rolling off the line I would like to see more reviews, pics, and comparisons. Give me Give me Give meeeeeeeee

tt335ci03cobra · 02-02-2012, 01:29 PM

Anybody lining up their new zl1 with a buddy's '12 svtpp yet? I think it'll have to come to private parties doing so because for some reason the mags aren't.

I wanna see the zl1 do awesome because competition betters the breed. Who knows, 5 years from now we might have mid to low 11 second muscle cars to chose from. Look what it's done for the bread/butter models.

-315-332hp 6spd auto/manual v6's that run 13's!
-416-422hp v8's that run 12's!

The competition is great, and best of all is that prices haven't gotten ridiculous. 23k buys a decent v6, 33k buys a decent v8, 55k buys a super car contender. Awesome

2ndCamaro79 · 02-02-2012, 01:44 PM

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Anybody lining up their new zl1 with a buddy's '12 svtpp yet? I think it'll have to come to private parties doing so because for some reason the mags aren't.

I know that we are in the (I want to know everything right now age) but I don't know why the mags have not done this? I mean if the QC process was done and you could go to Canada for pick up, some C5 members could post reviews quicker than the mags.

Wow, what is up with the 1/4 mile times for the ZL1 in this article? I know it was cold, but didn't Chevy choose this place for testing? Why did we not go to Florida or somewhere that the ZL1 could but up good numbers?

YourBlindingBias · 02-02-2012, 02:28 PM

Cold or not, everyone talks about the GT500 having traction problems, it looks like the ZL1 has traction problems too, I mean what 500+hp wouldn't?

*radz28* · 02-02-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

Cold or not, everyone talks about the GT500 having traction problems, it looks like the ZL1 has traction problems too, I mean what 500+hp wouldn't?

True - however - it seems to me to almost completely ignore the temperature isn't necessarily fair, is it? If so - I guess I'm wrong...

hognutz · 02-02-2012, 02:41 PM

It looks like that might be the case but one thing people have to remeber TIRES have alot to do iwth traction and these tires are horrilbe to launch in these temps.

So is it traction problem or the fact that they did not run the test right. Would you take handling data from slick tires run in the rain?

the fact that somebody got a 12.1 out of it says that it does not have such a huge issue as people are making about this artical. it is not like the 3.55 geared gt500 running 12.8 with 2.0+ 60' in every test.

these types of tires are awesome in turns and whent he temps are right but they get real dicy at those temps.

that fact that every review has it lapping great, stopping great, and comfortable to drive makes me happy. you won't find a review of a GT500 or even some vett's saying that. It is usually wow that was fast but it about ate me alive a few times.

*radz28* · 02-02-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hognutz

It looks like that might be the case but one thing people have to remeber TIRES have alot to do iwth traction and these tires are horrilbe to launch in these temps.

So is it traction problem or the fact that they did not run the test right. Would you take handling data from slick tires run in the rain?

the fact that somebody got a 12.1 out of it says that it does not have such a huge issue as people are making about this artical. it is not like the 3.55 geared gt500 running 12.8 with 2.0+ 60' in every test.

these types of tires are awesome in turns and whent he temps are right but they get real dicy at those temps.

that fact that every review has it lapping great, stopping great, and comfortable to drive makes me happy. you won't find a review of a GT500 or even some vett's saying that. It is usually wow that was fast but it about ate me alive a few times.

I'm really liking the many comments I've seen about actually liking to drive the car, and that it's fun. I was a little worried the electronics were going to turn it into something like the GTR (of course - within reason), but seeing that the human-factor still remains is something I think is a good thing. You still feel like you're in control, and not that the car is driving.

YourBlindingBias · 02-02-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by radz28

True - however - it seems to me to almost completely ignore the temperature isn't necessarily fair, is it? If so - I guess I'm wrong...

Agreed, and people do seem to ignore that also.
Physics applies to ALL vehicles even the ZL1 lol

Joebot8484 · 02-02-2012, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

wow.. that was a joke right?
You just created a car that didn't exist and beat it with a ZL1 and celebrated lol

wow this comparison was a joke right? Why would compare these two cars? apples and oranges...

Blue Menace · 02-02-2012, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

Agreed, and people do seem to ignore that also.
Physics applies to ALL vehicles even the ZL1 lol

What?! I was under the impression that the ZL1 was an Einstein thought experiment come to life.

MEDISIN · 02-02-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Joebot8484

wow this comparison was a joke right? Why would compare these two cars? apples and oranges...

Because they can. I don't think it's entirely pointless to compare two cars with similar weight, 2+2 seating configuration and similar horsepower. Sure the GTR costs $40k more and has a super sophisticated computer controlled AWD platform but it's still interesting to see two beasts strut their stuff on the tarmac. Plus it draws traffic to their site to see this "ridiculous comparison" being flaunted on various message boards, which generates ad revenue for R&T

02-02-2012, 12:35 PM	#58
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02-02-2012, 01:29 PM	#61
tt335ci03cobra Drives: 03 cobra 5.3 4v fgt's+62's Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: USA Posts: 146	Anybody lining up their new zl1 with a buddy's '12 svtpp yet? I think it'll have to come to private parties doing so because for some reason the mags aren't. I wanna see the zl1 do awesome because competition betters the breed. Who knows, 5 years from now we might have mid to low 11 second muscle cars to chose from. Look what it's done for the bread/butter models. -315-332hp 6spd auto/manual v6's that run 13's! -416-422hp v8's that run 12's! The competition is great, and best of all is that prices haven't gotten ridiculous. 23k buys a decent v6, 33k buys a decent v8, 55k buys a super car contender. Awesome __________________ Silver 03 cobra coupe -Full mm/ftbr chassis, built irs/t56, 3.73s, trutrac -Braces, 6pt, flsc's, brembos, rotary forged sochi's -9.3/1 Livernois 5.3 modular, Diamond, Carrillo etc -FGT heads stage 3 PnP'd, MMR stage 3 turbo grinds -FR500c, custom split maf dual inlet, single blade etc -Comp 62/65 T4's 3xbb, oil/water cooled, blankets etc -CG Fab. ff headers, custom 3" hotside, Tial wastegates -Dual in/out 3" cold side, Tial bov's, Truboost, SCT, NGk -Custom 8qt oil, dual 405s return fuel with id2000's, etc

02-02-2012, 02:41 PM	#65
hognutz Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: tangent or Posts: 2,984	It looks like that might be the case but one thing people have to remeber TIRES have alot to do iwth traction and these tires are horrilbe to launch in these temps. So is it traction problem or the fact that they did not run the test right. Would you take handling data from slick tires run in the rain? the fact that somebody got a 12.1 out of it says that it does not have such a huge issue as people are making about this artical. it is not like the 3.55 geared gt500 running 12.8 with 2.0+ 60' in every test. these types of tires are awesome in turns and whent he temps are right but they get real dicy at those temps. that fact that every review has it lapping great, stopping great, and comfortable to drive makes me happy. you won't find a review of a GT500 or even some vett's saying that. It is usually wow that was fast but it about ate me alive a few times. __________________ shopping for 2017+1le or zl1 2009 CTS-V -sold 2015 Hellcat-sold 2013 ZL1 -sold 2007 Z06- sold 2014 Chrysler 300 2011 Duramax 8" lift, deleted tuned

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2ndCamaro79 Drives: 2014 V-Sport/ 2015 Escalade Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Virginia Posts: 939	Ok, we have seen the ZL1 and Boss go at it. We have seen the ZL1 and the GT-R(pointless comparison), I think we are ready to see the ZL1 vs the 2012 Shelby. Now that the ZL1 is rolling off the line I would like to see more reviews, pics, and comparisons. Give me Give me Give meeeeeeeee

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YourBlindingBias Banned Drives: GT500/ZL1 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: LA Posts: 336	Cold or not, everyone talks about the GT500 having traction problems, it looks like the ZL1 has traction problems too, I mean what 500+hp wouldn't?