Inside Line: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 vs. 2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Comparison - Page 70 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

2SSJIM · 06-25-2012, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by peteypab2133

I know you are setting up responses to get people banned, but I wont take the bait.

you honestly cannot be serious? This GT500 is a PRODUCTION car.

So much so that there will be probably 2 or 2.5 GT500's built for every ZL1.

"The data also showed how much more consistent our lines and lap times were with the Camaro. In contrast, the Mustang's laps were filled with lots of throttle and steering adjustments, not to mention plenty of slides."

My favorite part about the review was this sentence. The guy basically admitted he was not man enough to drive the GT500. Of course a car with 100 less hp and 100 pounds of tq will be easier to drive.

This is why magazines are not worth reading anymore. Like the NFL they have millions of people watching them see the play in slow motion time after time and they still make the wrong call.

Does the car leave the Ford Plant and go to the Shelby facility for the upgrades..... if so, it is after manufacture production. If you still call it production after that, then why is any car that is sent to Hennessey straight from the factory for upgrades not concidered a production car?

Darkstar November · 06-25-2012, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SSJIM

Does the car leave the Ford Plant and go to the Shelby facility for the upgrades..... if so, it is after manufacture production. If you still call it production after that, then why is any car that is sent to Hennessey straight from the factory for upgrades not concidered a production car?

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the gt500 never leaves ford. its a shelby in name only really. its built in the ford plant, by ford employees, transported from the plant to ford dealers, then sold by ford salesmen

2SSJIM · 06-25-2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkstar November

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the gt500 never leaves ford. its a shelby in name only really. its built in the ford plant, by ford employees, transported from the plant to ford dealers, then sold by ford salesmen

I just read that.... so it's not even a true Shelby....WOW! At least it performs!

Darkstar November · 06-25-2012, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SSJIM

I just read that.... so it's not even a true Shelby....WOW! At least it performs!

shelby has licensed his name to ford for years for the 500's. the shelby gt cars are shelby serial numbers, they start as a gt then go to shelby american.

2012 Mustang GT · 06-25-2012, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SSJIM

Does the car leave the Ford Plant and go to the Shelby facility for the upgrades..... if so, it is after manufacture production. If you still call it production after that, then why is any car that is sent to Hennessey straight from the factory for upgrades not concidered a production car?

GT500 rolls right down the prodution line and thats it. Never goes anywhere else. GT500 is the same as the SVT Cobra. Its been that way since 2007...if the GT500 isnt a production car then neither is your SS. So try to do some research next time

Fenderaddict2 · 06-25-2012, 11:04 PM

Thanks to Erik and Van, not only is this the best thread ever, in any forum I belong to but easily the most anticipated track event of the year. I literally checked my calendar to see if I could attend in person. I can't.

My respect and admiration to both of you. Have fun!

MR.CamaroSS · 06-25-2012, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rez333

I had to laugh about this comment:

skyggge says:
06:11 AM, 06/25/2012
Disclaimer: This is purely meant to be humorous.

This is the first thing I thought of after reading this article:

GT500: What are you smiling about?

ZL1: Dude I almost had you!

GT500: Almost had me? You never had me. You never had your car... Ask any racer, any REAL racer. It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winnings winning.

lol its funny..i think thats from the first fast and furious movie...anyway i love the ZL1 its a truly amazing car and so is the GT500. i cant wait to see if GM will try and top the horse power numbers. with the 6.2 liter motor they have so much potential to gain more horse power so they can go back and forth and next thing u know they will have over 700 hp stock!!!!

evolve · 06-26-2012, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

I disagree. I don't think there is any issue with the article, really. It's a product review and comparison. Most reasons people purchase a car are subjective. They preferred the zl1 and they explained why. That's their job the way I see it. In this comparison the gt500 was faster, but the zl1 was preferred. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Then what was the point of taking the cars to the track? If car A ran a faster time, why declare car b the winner? Maybe I got lost somewhere, but it doesn't make sense to me.

newb · 06-26-2012, 12:43 AM

Because it was A lap. They admit you can run A fast lap in the GT500, but you can consistently run fast laps in he ZL1. And that was one course. Other courses will be different results. I would like to see all of the hot lap times for both cars. I would bet the ZL1 was faster more often than the GT500. Or was it posted and I missed it?

69NMYSS · 06-26-2012, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 10forty2

I feel ya on this point, but I offer another view....

Which is superior in a dogfight... a modern-day F-15 Eagle fighter jet, or a WWII Corsair? And I think anyone would say the answer would be the F-15. The F15 benefits from superior technology and is therefore the winner hands down in a head to head fight. Of course, the Corsair pilot may have full control of his aircraft via cables, but the F15 pilot has computerized fly-by-wire technology that allows him to dominate the air. When it comes to winning, you take every advantage you can get!!
Now, with that said, I do LOVE to have full control of my vehicles, especially when I'm driving with spirit.... LOL! But I'll also take advantage of technology to make me a better driver!!

Actually the F-15 is outdated and not full "fly-by-wire" although does incorporate the technology with mechanical flight control systems. A better analogy would be the F-22 Raptor or the F-35 Lightning II.

The IOM Ninja · 06-26-2012, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 10forty2

I feel ya on this point, but I offer another view....

Which is superior in a dogfight... a modern-day F-15 Eagle fighter jet, or a WWII Corsair? And I think anyone would say the answer would be the F-15. The F15 benefits from superior technology and is therefore the winner hands down in a head to head fight. Of course, the Corsair pilot may have full control of his aircraft via cables, but the F15 pilot has computerized fly-by-wire technology that allows him to dominate the air. When it comes to winning, you take every advantage you can get!!
Now, with that said, I do LOVE to have full control of my vehicles, especially when I'm driving with spirit.... LOL! But I'll also take advantage of technology to make me a better driver!!

But the ZL1 doesn't make you a better driver unless you are turning the technology off, it just makes you LOOK like a better driver... It's just like comparing a Viper to a GT-R you might be able to pull more consistent times with the GT-R but the Viper requires you to actually be a better driver to get good times... Just saying

motorhead · 06-26-2012, 04:57 AM

I love how you're all the sudden not allowed to talk about a certain car just because you don't own one. For you losers that are saying that, I say you shouldn't be allowed in either unless you've actually ran you're ZL1 at the track. Most of you could only offer up expertise of how it looks in your garage or waxing techniques. You
make yourselfs look like snobs by making stupid comments like that.

Back on topic, I think what the mag and all the current test have proven so far is that for an everyday car the ZL1 is the better car. For a balls to the wall all out scare the crap out of you hot rod the gt500 is the clear winner. Which to me comes down to what type of person you are.

Wondering · 06-26-2012, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by FNBADAZ06

Very cool (and refreshing) to see/read two level headed gearheads talk car's, and taking them out on the track for a little H2H fun.......congrat's to both of you.

Agreed....

This is the difference between people who actually walk the walk vs the ones who just talk. My hats off to both gents, I'm sure it's gonna be a blast!

KKreme15 · 06-26-2012, 06:52 AM

lol are we really going to act like a tune that netted 30rwhp isn't a huge change from stock??

06-25-2012, 11:04 PM	#972
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06-26-2012, 12:43 AM	#975
newb Drives: 2013 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: DMV Posts: 1,548	Because it was A lap. They admit you can run A fast lap in the GT500, but you can consistently run fast laps in he ZL1. And that was one course. Other courses will be different results. I would like to see all of the hot lap times for both cars. I would bet the ZL1 was faster more often than the GT500. Or was it posted and I missed it?

06-26-2012, 04:57 AM	#978
motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,850	I love how you're all the sudden not allowed to talk about a certain car just because you don't own one. For you losers that are saying that, I say you shouldn't be allowed in either unless you've actually ran you're ZL1 at the track. Most of you could only offer up expertise of how it looks in your garage or waxing techniques. You make yourselfs look like snobs by making stupid comments like that. Back on topic, I think what the mag and all the current test have proven so far is that for an everyday car the ZL1 is the better car. For a balls to the wall all out scare the crap out of you hot rod the gt500 is the clear winner. Which to me comes down to what type of person you are.

06-26-2012, 06:52 AM	#980
KKreme15 Drives: C6 Z06 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Dayton, MD Posts: 1,645	lol are we really going to act like a tune that netted 30rwhp isn't a huge change from stock??