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L99CAMA2011 · 08-04-2012, 08:43 PM

No not in a drag race but in the handling characteristics. I notice in the Japolink write up on the 1LE the editor said this,"The car does have more understeer than the ZL1, especially in the faster turns, and I wish the brakes were updated and not just painted. They just don't live up to the incredible handling available, but it certainly wasn't a deal breaker. The gearbox ratios are tuned for the racetrack and the throw is short and tight. For the price, its performance is not that far from that of its big brother." Now I would have thought that the 1LE would have been more neutral all round with the 20x10s all round and no blower in the front end, but seems like the ZL-1 with more power to the rear, more weight with the 9" rear end balancing the weight distribution more than the 1LE makes the ZL-1 the more neutral handler which shocked me but not so much after closely analyzing both setups. It is true that more power to the rear wheels can make a car more neutral around corners and I have experienced this many times in the past but I still see the 1LE as being the more toss friendly platform in events like autocrossing and so on. What say you.

Fenderaddict2 · 08-05-2012, 12:22 AM

I'd love the opportunity to compare them. Personally I'm drawn to high revving NA motors and there is talk that the 1LE can walk a Boss as I would expect following the car to market with a well sorted IRS. Not buying the 4 second VIR advantage though.

At then end of the day I suspect price will be the biggest deciding factor between the two King Camaros.

Sleepy · 08-05-2012, 02:56 PM

Don't forget 1LE has larger 27mm front stabilizer bar to offset the square tire sizes.

L99CAMA2011 · 08-05-2012, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sleepy

Don't forget 1LE has larger 27mm front stabilizer bar to offset the square tire sizes.

Sorry I forgot to mention that but My current setup has the ZL-1 rear 28mm bar with H&R front 28mm bar with staggered setup and corners very freaking neutral but of course the stock cars don't have the full equipment I have. My car with even tires front and rear would be even better. Just thought the 1LE should be more neutral than say my car is. Also spring rates and strut/ shock stiffness plays an important role as well.

Sleepy · 08-06-2012, 10:05 AM

You and me both. I was also hoping for the a more neutral car with less body motion.

SUKXOST · 08-26-2012, 12:08 PM

This thread will be on fire I suspect once some of these 1LEs get to the track!

PYROLYSIS · 08-26-2012, 03:34 PM

The 1LE doesn't have 20x10 wheels all the way around, just the same size tires.

SUKXOST · 08-26-2012, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

The 1LE doesn't have 20x10 wheels all the way around, just the same size tires.

Yep 9" fronts and 10" rears. 285 on all fours to help with understeering(in addition to all of the suspension mods GM did)

YAY GM

cbass · 08-26-2012, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SUKXOST

Yep 9" fronts and 10" rears. 285 on all fours to help with understeering(in addition to all of the suspension mods GM did)

YAY GM

20 x 10 up front
20 x 11 in back

285 on all fours

L99CAMA2011 · 08-26-2012, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SUKXOST

Yep 9" fronts and 10" rears. 285 on all fours to help with understeering(in addition to all of the suspension mods GM did)

YAY GM

I assure you there are not 20x9s up front or anywhere on the 1LE. The last correct I heard was 20x10s all round. ZL-1 fronts on all four corners.

PYROLYSIS · 08-26-2012, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cbass

20 x 10 up front
20 x 11 in back

285 on all fours

This guy has it correct. You can look at the brochure for confirmation if you need it.

2cnd chance · 08-26-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cbass

20 x 10 up front
20 x 11 in back

285 on all fours

This is correct.

cipriank · 08-26-2012, 07:07 PM

20 x 10 up front
20 x 11 in rear...

I assure u

b4z · 08-26-2012, 07:33 PM

1LE weighs 260 lbs less than a ZL1. So if you could get about 100 hp more out of the LS3 you would have a hell of a car. That is 100 naturally aspirated, not forced induction with 100-120 lbs extra weight on the front end.

08-04-2012, 08:43 PM	#1
L99CAMA2011 Drives: One of the baddest handling Gen 5s Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Masachusetts Posts: 4,177	Camaro 1LE vs. Camaro ZL-1 No not in a drag race but in the handling characteristics. I notice in the Japolink write up on the 1LE the editor said this,"The car does have more understeer than the ZL1, especially in the faster turns, and I wish the brakes were updated and not just painted. They just don't live up to the incredible handling available, but it certainly wasn't a deal breaker. The gearbox ratios are tuned for the racetrack and the throw is short and tight. For the price, its performance is not that far from that of its big brother." Now I would have thought that the 1LE would have been more neutral all round with the 20x10s all round and no blower in the front end, but seems like the ZL-1 with more power to the rear, more weight with the 9" rear end balancing the weight distribution more than the 1LE makes the ZL-1 the more neutral handler which shocked me but not so much after closely analyzing both setups. It is true that more power to the rear wheels can make a car more neutral around corners and I have experienced this many times in the past but I still see the 1LE as being the more toss friendly platform in events like autocrossing and so on. What say you.

08-05-2012, 12:22 AM	#2
Fenderaddict2 Opinionated bugger! Drives: Boss 302, Mazda 2, Praga & Intrepid Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Oakville Posts: 1,897 View My Garage	I'd love the opportunity to compare them. Personally I'm drawn to high revving NA motors and there is talk that the 1LE can walk a Boss as I would expect following the car to market with a well sorted IRS. Not buying the 4 second VIR advantage though. At then end of the day I suspect price will be the biggest deciding factor between the two King Camaros. __________________ Follow me on forums everywhere as Fenderaddict2 or my kid on the track and Twitter @fastmyles Last edited by Fenderaddict2; 08-05-2012 at 09:36 PM.

08-26-2012, 12:08 PM	#6
SUKXOST Do you even lift, bro? Drives: 2013 1LE Camaro Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Sumter, SC Posts: 3,159 View My Garage	This thread will be on fire I suspect once some of these 1LEs get to the track! __________________ My 1LE (645WHP/597WTQ) build/journal Thread: 1st ever 1LE COTW http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255461

08-26-2012, 03:34 PM	#7
PYROLYSIS Remember the Charleston 9 Drives: 2004 KME PREDATOR, 2014 2SS/RS/1LE Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Summerv1LE SC Posts: 5,381 View My Garage	The 1LE doesn't have 20x10 wheels all the way around, just the same size tires. __________________ BRING BACK THE B4C POLICE CAMARO! 2002 V-6 5 speed rally red (current camaro) Also driven:1992 Z-28 305 auto Red w/ black stripes (anniversary), 2001 V-6 auto light pewter metallic,1991 RS V-6 auto Black

08-26-2012, 07:07 PM	#13
cipriank Drives: 2010 camaro 2ss Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: boca raton, fl Posts: 247	20 x 10 up front 20 x 11 in rear... I assure u __________________ 2010 2ss L99 Mods: ADM race intake, ADM scoop w/ washer bottle, SLP long tube headers, SLP 25% UDP, SLP Loud Mouth 2 exhaust, Vmax TB, BER intake manifold,3.45 gears, MSD wires, SLP 160 t-stat, SLP Springs, EFI live tune by Redline Motorsports

08-05-2012, 02:56 PM	#3
Sleepy Drives: 2011 LS M6 SW Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 88	Don't forget 1LE has larger 27mm front stabilizer bar to offset the square tire sizes.

08-06-2012, 10:05 AM	#5
Sleepy Drives: 2011 LS M6 SW Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 88	You and me both. I was also hoping for the a more neutral car with less body motion.

08-26-2012, 07:33 PM	#14
b4z Drives: '06 Pontiac GTO M6, '19 F150 2.7TT Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 1,425	1LE weighs 260 lbs less than a ZL1. So if you could get about 100 hp more out of the LS3 you would have a hell of a car. That is 100 naturally aspirated, not forced induction with 100-120 lbs extra weight on the front end.