13-year-old with pellet gun shot 7 times...

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by jewel25

My child will not be walking around with a modified toy gun.

There are plenty of people I know that used to go shooting as kids and they would carry real firearms. They never got shot. My friends and I used to walk to the park carrying our airsoft guns and never got shot. Cops showed up a couple times to check them out but we never got shot or shot at.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The only difference is my what ifs don't end up with a dead kid.

touché. then how about this, what if the kid didn't modify his gun to look real? what if he wasn't carrying it in the open, in a state that doesn't allow open carry of AK's? What if the kid did hear the cop? what if he did turn and raise the gun?

[jewel25]

Its been fun fellas but I really should get back to work. Hopfully there is no hurt feelings or "panties in a bunch" I always love a good agrument.


Jewels

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

There are plenty of people I know that used to go shooting as kids and they would carry real firearms. They never got shot. My friends and I used to walk to the park carrying our airsoft guns and never got shot. Cops showed up a couple times to check them out but we never got shot or shot at.

were they AK's? lol Where they airsoft guns that look like AK's, with the orange tips painted, or taken off? Did you or your friends raise the gun toward the cop?

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

touché. then how about this, what if the kid didn't modify his gun to look real? what if he wasn't carrying it in the open, in a state that doesn't allow open carry of AK's? What if the kid did hear the cop? what if he did turn and raise the gun?

Do you think a cop wouldn't have shot him if the tip was orange?

He wasn't doing anything illegal. Why should we stop doing legal things because cops might over react?

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

were they AK's? lol Where they airsoft guns that look like AK's, with the orange tips painted, or taken off? Did you or your friends raise the gun toward the cop?

We never purposely pointed them at the cop but I'm sure a muzzle or two ended up in his direction when we would turn around.

Some did have the orange tip, some didn't. One was a metal AK that looked and felt real.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Do you think a cop wouldn't have shot him if the tip was orange?

He wasn't doing anything illegal. Why should we stop doing legal things because cops might over react?

technically no, he wasn't. but with a modified gun to look like an AK, it looked like he was doing something illegal. in California, you can't carry an AK in the open.

as for would the cops had fired if the tip was orange, I wouldn't know that answer. but it wasn't orange.

[nyrfan]

Originally Posted by jewel25

and who is always right? Even when she is wrong.

Who me?

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

technically no, he wasn't. but with a modified gun to look like an AK, it looked like he was doing something illegal. in California, you can't carry an AK in the open.

as for would the cops had fired if the tip was orange, I wouldn't know that answer. but it wasn't orange.

There are places in California where you can carry a firearm openly but this wasn't a firearm and he wasn't breaking the law.

[rray]

This is cut and dry legal murder. 10 seconds from when the suspicious person call made until the smoking hot projectiles destroyed the child's body from its capacity to support life.

This generation of chicken shit police officers. All they had to do is call for backup in case the kid tries to run if after 30 seconds the kid don't surrender. They could hide behind there car if worried the toy was real, but instead the see it as an easy legal murder, what they had prayed for when they took the job.

-Robert

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

There are places in California where you can carry a firearm openly but this wasn't a firearm and he wasn't breaking the law.

not assault rifles. you can't carry any assault rifle, open carry in any part of California.

edit: and doing some more reading, not only can you not open carry an assault rifle in California, you can't have a magazine that can hold more than 10 bullets in California. and from the picture, looks like that can hold more than 10 bullets, if it were real.

I know it was a fake gun, and it is very tragic. i'm just saying, it looked like a real ak to the cops, and it had an extended mag.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

not assault rifles. you can't carry any assault rifle, open carry in any part of California.

edit: and doing some more reading, not only can you not open carry an assault rifle in California, you can't have a magazine that can hold more than 10 bullets in California. and from the picture, looks like that can hold more than 10 bullets, if it were real.

I know it was a fake gun, and it is very tragic. i'm just saying, it looked like a real ak to the cops, and it had an extended mag.

This was the answer I was looking for. In that case the young man and his parents are mainly to blame here for letting him walk on public streets with a gun that looks like an illegal weapon for that area. The police will most certainly react swiftly in that case because in their eyes someone is already breaking the law just buy carrying it.

[Spartan01]

This is sent out to the entire board in general, not in response to a single post.

OK, first of all, IT IS A TRAGEDY THAT A CHILD DIED,
but unless you are or were ever a police officer, you should really shut up about what the police should have done. YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND unless you have been there and done that.
(I have, I walked a beat in SE DC, 6th district.)
First of all the police had to respond as if the threat was real.
Secondly, if they have an AK-47 and you have a pistol, they are severely outgunned.
They can engage at about a max of 50 yards (really pushing it,) but they can EASILY engage at well over 100 yards. Also an AK round will go right through your standard issue level 3a vest.
Also, for thos eof you claiming that 7 rounds is excessive, again if you have never walked a beat, or been in a firefight SHUT UP.
First of all, you are moving, and you are engaging a target that is moving, also you are (apparently) OUTGUNNED, and again for those of you who do not understand terminal ballistics, rounds that do strike the target do not always take immediate effect, The subject could have been wearing armor or hopped up on PCP.
You are trained to stop the attacker. when employing deadly force, you keep engaging until there is no threat. If it took 7 rounds to put the (apparent) assailant down, then that is what it took.
I am sorry that kid is dead, I am sorry that the cops involved will have to live with it forever. This is a trageday all over, yet nobody here was on the scene, so nobody here has the right to judge the actions of the kid or the cops invloved.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

not assault rifles. you can't carry any assault rifle, open carry in any part of California.

edit: and doing some more reading, not only can you not open carry an assault rifle in California, you can't have a magazine that can hold more than 10 bullets in California. and from the picture, looks like that can hold more than 10 bullets, if it were real.

I know it was a fake gun, and it is very tragic. i'm just saying, it looked like a real ak to the cops, and it had an extended mag.

You can openly carry an assault weapon in California, otherwise, how would you shoot it at a range or BLM areas?

You can legally own mags with greater than 10 round capacity, also. They only became illegal to buy or sell after 2000 but there are legals ways to get them even now.