08-21-2014, 10:53 AM | #29 | |
Drives: 14 1LE Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 1,567
|
Quote:
__________________
LMS Engineering
|
|
08-21-2014, 12:49 PM | #30 | |
Drives: 2014 Spring Edition SS Join Date: May 2014
Location: Clemmons, NC
Posts: 184
|
Quote:
|
|
08-22-2014, 12:13 PM | #31 | ||
Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011
Location: Oversneeze
Posts: 4,545
|
Quote:
This thread is about a helmet that works for motorsports. Fire protection is one of the 3 primary components that make a motorsports helmet what it is and is part of the mandatory testing for it. Quote:
1. Helmet components are tested separately for flame resistance by exposing them to a direct propane flame of a specified temperature for specified time periods. When the flame is withdrawn, each of these components must self extinguish within a specified time limit. FAIL 2. The temperature of the padding or lining materials within the helmet that would presumably touch the wearer's head must not exceed 70ºC. FAIL 3. The chin strap must also be flame resistant. The chin strap will be tested similarly to other helmet components. It must not melt and must self extinguish within the allowed time. --Placing something not flame retardant against it. FAIL. 4. The face shield must not melt down allowing the flame to reach the interior of the helmet. --Flammable stuff on your face. FAIL Stating there are minimal crashes in autocross and nothing could incapacitate you for any length of time therefore you don't have to worry about safety is rather ridiculous. I've seen fully trained emergency response personnel freeze under bad circumstances. There's also the chance of you hitting something, airbags deploying and dazing you (which is common in these cars in autocross), or otherwise hitting your head. I've struck my head on the roof and been dazed from going off an autocross track because of the lack of clearance. I was disoriented for a few seconds and sat out the next few rounds because of a headache. And yes if someone was dressed improperly for safety then I would say something. Just like I would hope someone would say something to me. If you think my statement about visiting a burn ward was offensive it wasn't, it was meant to open your eyes to the added risk you created for no reason. Thinking nothing bad will happen because its "only" autocross only tells me you lack experience and are still in the infallibility of youth phase of your life. Its also clear from your posts you have very little background in modding, racing, or safety. Again, not meant to be mean but something I think you should hear. One thing that will never leave me is the smell of burned human flesh and hair. It is a thing that I re-experience in my nightmares but you're rather flippant about the risk. The saddest incidents are the ones that led to death or injury that were easily avoided through some basic foresight and following regulations. Some of the people I know are dead, others horribly disfigured and in pain every day of their life. All because they skipped basic safety regs. A cheap nomex hoodie is $20, the same price as the cheap stuff. One approved by a racing sanctioning body starts at $45. So whatever the risk level, you've made a conscious decision to increase your risk level for absolutely no benefit even though it doesn't cost you anything extra, add any effort, or add time to do it right. It takes the same level of effort to put on the right gear/clothes as the wrong stuff in the morning. So if it costs you nothing extra, and makes you safer, and more experienced racers are telling you something why wouldn't you listen? If you don't want to listen to us then listen to yourself. |
||
08-22-2014, 12:45 PM | #32 |
Drives: 14 1LE Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 1,567
|
No ones arguing against safety. I think what Balok is getting at is why argue a cotton balacalava when people arent even putting on a nomex suit. Essentually its hypocritical. I also think that brining up the odds of significant injury during an HPDE/autox as being slim to none is correct. If it wasn't then safety gear of the appropriate level would be mandatory and I've never been to or seen one that requires more than a snell rated helmet. The argument here and on the other thread regarding harnesses and harness bars is so rediculous that it makes us all seem like dumbasses for even thinking of bringing our car on track unless it was fully caged with top notch safety equipment. There is a lot of room between a street car and a race car, anything you do to increase your odds should not be criticized.
__________________
LMS Engineering
|
08-22-2014, 03:25 PM | #33 | |
Cadillac Service Manager
Drives: 2014 Camaro 1SS, 1LE, NPP, RECAROS Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Indiana
Posts: 672
|
Quote:
__________________
|
|
08-22-2014, 05:49 PM | #34 | |||
Drives: 2014 Spring Edition SS Join Date: May 2014
Location: Clemmons, NC
Posts: 184
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
And while I appreciate the compliment on my youth, it's possible that I'm older than you because I'm nearly 51 years old, but I admit I haven't the foggiest idea how old you are. You are accurate that I'm very new to modding cars, but have been around racing my entire life as I live in the middle of NASCAR country and I know a LOT of people into oval racing on asphalt and dirt. As for safety, while it qualifies me for exactly dick in terms of motorsports, I happen to be an OSHA 500 Authorized Safety Instructor and regularly teach OSHA 10 and 30 hour classes in the construction industry. I'm also a Journeyman Electrician, so I've seen my share of men burned by arc flashes over the years, so contrary to your supposition with the burn ward comment, I have definitely seen my share of serious burns. I think that my comment was taken out of context because I was commenting on auto-x, not a full on high speed HPDE event at VIR, Road Atlanta or Barber. In those type of events where you're able to pretty much drive your car as fast as you or your cajones will allow you to drive I agree 1000% as I've already stated. This will be my last comment on this matter. EDIT: Sorry to the OP for the hijack. Last edited by Balok; 08-22-2014 at 06:22 PM. |
|||
08-22-2014, 06:23 PM | #35 |
Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011
Location: Oversneeze
Posts: 4,545
|
No worries man, eyes wide open is my point...
|
08-22-2014, 06:31 PM | #36 | |
Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011
Location: Oversneeze
Posts: 4,545
|
Quote:
And I fully agree with your last comment. |
|
08-22-2014, 06:50 PM | #37 | |
Cadillac Service Manager
Drives: 2014 Camaro 1SS, 1LE, NPP, RECAROS Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Indiana
Posts: 672
|
Quote:
What were the circumstances?
__________________
|
|
08-22-2014, 07:35 PM | #38 | |
corner barstool sitter
Drives: 08 Mustang GT, 19 WRX Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Eastern Time Zone
Posts: 6,990
|
Quote:
SA is also a multiple impact spec. The helmet I used when I was autocrossing a dozen or so times a season somehow managed to acquire scuff marks that I have no idea when or how they got there. Something had to be close enough such that OE restraints and cloth seats (grippier than leather) weren't enough. But fully SCCA Solo-legal. FWIW, I've seen at least one car on fire at an autocross (back in the 1970's), and rather more recently a car that ended up on its roof when it got way out of shape toward the end of a slalom. IIRC, there was a passenger, though I don't know if it was an instructor or a guest of the driver. Norm |
|
08-22-2014, 07:52 PM | #39 |
Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011
Location: Oversneeze
Posts: 4,545
|
Student went off track and passenger door struck something killing the instructor instantly.
|
08-22-2014, 08:13 PM | #40 |
Cadillac Service Manager
Drives: 2014 Camaro 1SS, 1LE, NPP, RECAROS Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Indiana
Posts: 672
|
Is this the Summit Point incident?
__________________
|
08-22-2014, 09:34 PM | #41 |
Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011
Location: Oversneeze
Posts: 4,545
|
Yes
|
08-23-2014, 06:24 AM | #42 |
Cadillac Service Manager
Drives: 2014 Camaro 1SS, 1LE, NPP, RECAROS Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Indiana
Posts: 672
|
I'm not sure if any safety equipment would have helped him in hitting a tree. It also seems as this happened coming out of a 90 degree corner from the reports I've been seeing, real world daily driver speeds involved. This could have easily happened on the street in the rain and had the same outcome. I get it, you can never have enough safety equipment, but when it's your time it's your time.
__________________
|
|
|
Thread Tools | |
|
|