11-30-2018, 09:10 PM | #2787 | |
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And sure you can walk into a dealership now and test drive a ZL1. But you also can test drive a GT350R. That is, after you've signed for them and are approved to buy it. Or after you've shown a sincere interest in buying one and have proven that you have the means to. But don't sit here acting like they're handing out the keys to brand new ZL1s at any stranger's request and they're being joy-ridden like a V6 or something. We all know that isn't true. At least not on a regular basis. If you were just handed the keys to one, and I'm assuming that you bought it based on your pic, then you must have shown a sincere interest in the car or spoken with them or something. You didn't just walk in and say "hey I wanna test drive that car" and they threw you the keys. And I would bet that the salesman went along for the drive. Unless it was a used car. Then maybe they did do that. But definitely not with a new one. But hey, some dealerships might be a bit more easy going about these things. For the record, the GT350R appeal has diminished. They are not commanding these massive markups anymore. In fact, they aren't commanding ANY markups at all. So that reinforces that there is not anything special about the car. Same engine. Same options. Maybe some extras added on. Same CF wheels. Same trans. It is virtually the same car. So why are they not getting the markups now like they were when they first showed up? |
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11-30-2018, 09:14 PM | #2788 | |
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EDIT: I think if a vehicle was on the previous year's list, it's eligible. Otherwise, the car would have to be all new or significantly updated. That would explain the misunderstanding. EDIT 2: Found this in the 2018 article: "The rules for vehicle eligibility are thus: Entrants must cost no more than $80,000 (anything pricier should be amazing), and they must be a returning winner, all-new, or significantly revised." The 2018 Mustang was not available to them at the time of the testing for the 2018 list, which is why it was eligible for 2019.
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11-30-2018, 09:20 PM | #2789 | |
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But anyway, it DID diminish. That much is obvious since you can find plenty of them at MSRP whereas a year ago you could not. If there is something special about the GT350R, then the GT500 would not be able to take that away. Especially since the GT500 is a completely different car. The GT350R would still be a special car. But it is not. When I ask what is soo special about the car, nobody can give me a direct answer. Is it fast? Like, blazing fast? Does it handle like nothing else on the planet? Does it brake like no other car? Is it worlds apart from it's competition? What gives? Ask me what is special about the ZL1 and I'll round off a list of answers for you. |
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Let’s not forget 2016 - 2017 -2018. Camaro was Car and Driver 10Best three consecutive years.
Congratulations Ford? The 2019 writeup is rather underwhelming by comparison.
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11-30-2018, 09:40 PM | #2791 | |
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Yeah skippo, voodoo? engine eating oil like a rotary may have something to do with that. And one i was handed keys to was not the one I bought. I'll say this, was I was shopping for both, the dealers treated Shelby like a goddaim supercar, all indoors, all clean. Chevy dealers, it was just another camaro, out in the rain, elements, etc. And that was just in May, when marks up were going away in some dealers. I had half dozen available in my area and of those, only 1 had markup.
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11-30-2018, 10:48 PM | #2792 | |
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But it goes right back to my original thought that GM has soo many high value cars that the ZL1 is never going to command that kind of treatment. The GT350R however IS the top dog for Ford. So they will be put in the showroom and treated special. Go to a Chevy dealership and they have GS Vettes, Z06s, ZL1s, CTS-Vs, 3LT Stingrays, etc. With all these big name cars they will not be treating the ZL1 like it is the king. Heck there is a dealership around the corner from my job with a 3ZR ZR1 MSRP at $144K and it is sitting outside right now. I could go there at 2am and snap a pic of it. Now if all Chevy offered was the SS Camaro and then the ZR1 or the SS Camaro and then the Z06 or ZL1 then you bet your ass that it'll be treated better. But they have too many options. |
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11-30-2018, 10:52 PM | #2793 |
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Matter of fact, no other manufacturer has as many high priced high HP performance options as GM does. So as amazing as the ZL1 is, it isn't much when there are several other cars on it's level AND when it is the cheapest of them all.
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12-01-2018, 05:54 AM | #2794 | |
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For 18 this all changed, the GT is just as fast, and still has the better curd appeal.
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Maybe people just aren't willing to pay ADM on a "special car" that's been around for 3 years anymore. At some point doesn't the supply of people willing/able to pay above MSRP just dry up, without the car suddenly becoming less than it was?
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Just for laughs I started to look at what a comparable Mustang would cost. Frankly, I couldn't get past the ugly front end. The Camaro is a work of art compared to the Mustang.
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I dont think Ford will continue selling the voodoo for long, let alone increase engine output when they are grenading left and right but you're right that it would spark more sales. HP numbers sell cars. I am interested to see what they do though, I think few expect both Shelby's to be sold along side each other but they seem to be selling regardless of the massive used market for these cars so demand is still there. One thing I like about Ford is you never know what they will do, they aren't as rigid as Chevy, and that's cool to me.
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This! The supply of idiots with more money than sense has dried up.
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