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The_Stache · 04-10-2007, 02:11 PM

I agree with casuall and his reasoning explanation -

The reasoning dragon is not previous cost analysis because we have been told it will compete with the mustang, if you check the mustang you notice a few things.. you get 2 engine choices (if you don't include the gt500 which i don't because its a limited production hey look at what we can do type thing)

coupe pricing for baseline

v6 210hp @ $20k-$22k - 2 trims base and deluxe
v8(gt) 300hp @ $26k-$28k - 2 trims base and deluxe
v8 gt500 500hp @ 42k - 1 trim limited production

camaro probability to fall in line

V6 3.9L 250 HP @ $21k - comparable to stang v6 base trim (cam more hp)
V6 3.6L 300 HP @ $25k - comparable to stang v6 deluxe trim (cam alot more hp but price bump)
V8 6.0L 368 HP @ $29k (L76) - comparable to stang v8 base ( cam more hp)
V8 6.2L 450 HP @ $35k (LS3) - comparable to stang v8 deluxe (cam alot more hp but big price bump)
V8 6.2Ls/c 550 HP @ $42k (Blown LS3) - comparable to gt500 (cam more hp)

when compared side by side.. camaro is clear winner, if you get base trim levels (assuming comparable options) you pay the same but get more hp. When you hit the price bump you get major hp upgrade but you pay for it( and probably bundled options hud/nav/bluetooth/ect..)

again personally i don't like it if it goes this way but we will have to see for official word

Casull · 04-10-2007, 02:13 PM

First off, you are very right.... We seem to get very emotional when it comes to discussing price, and the thought of a 35k+ Camaro really sets some people (certainly myself included) off. I think this really shows how much passion this car elicits though. I mean, just the thought of not being able to afford it really gets us going!

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

3) And the pricing guesstimates seem sooooo out in left field to me, the Z28 in 2002 only cost around 23000, now I know inflation takes its toll but not to 29000 - ish!!.

As for this... inflation is a major factor. 2002 doesn't seem that long ago, but it was 5 years ago now and the gap will grow to 7 years before we see a Camaro. Inflation is typically around 3% a year. if you take that into consideration, a $23,000 Camaro in 2002 would cost $28,287 in 2009. So Inflation certainly can increase the cost of a base Camaro quite a bit.

We will just have to wait and see (unfortunately. I for one am tired of waiting to see :( )

*Mr. Wyndham* · 04-10-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Casull

We will just have to wait and see (unfortunately. I for one am tired of waiting to see :( )

Of that, I can agree with you on

:p

3whiterag · 04-10-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rray200

I guess we'll have to wait and see when these cars come out and see how they drive. An entry level V8 may not be a bad choice. 368 HP is nothing to sneeze at and probably more than enough for daily driving. Based on my LS1 driving experiences, 368 HP would be a hell of alot of fun. You have to wonder though, when you hit the 450 HP mark, of how fuel efficient the car will be and how streetable it'll be for average joe drivers. That kind of power is not for everybody.

Very streetable, look what the LS7 Corvette is getting for mileage. As far as those prices that were posted, they are just what someone figures those packages would be selling for. As far as I am concerned, it is all guess work. as I stated before, the Ls2 6.0L is 405 hp. not 368hp. I am even thinking of putting one of the new engines in my 67 SS350 which is a pig on gas now. If I update the drivetrain, I will be far better off than I am now as far as mileage and performance are concerned. I think the new Camaro will have the hp. and prices to suit everyones' needs.

SoFlaZ · 04-10-2007, 06:09 PM

Im still kinda worried about the prices but i am going to stay optimistic and trust you on this 3whiterag.

Moosen75 · 04-10-2007, 08:53 PM

i like the sound of 400-450 horses. alot more then the last production camaro. u figure the 2006 goat was at i believe 400 horses on the ls2. so its gotta be at least at that figure or above. this is sounding good to me. could you imagine if they drop the ls7 with the supercharger that they are putting in the blue devil vette.

Casull · 04-10-2007, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Moosen75

i like the sound of 400-450 horses. alot more then the last production camaro. u figure the 2006 goat was at i believe 400 horses on the ls2. so its gotta be at least at that figure or above. this is sounding good to me. could you imagine if they drop the ls7 with the supercharger that they are putting in the blue devil vette.

I thought I read somewhere that the LS7 can't run a s/c because it is already running such high compression....

Moosen75 · 04-11-2007, 06:28 AM

hmm well what are they putting engine wise in the blue devil?

3whiterag · 04-11-2007, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Casull

I thought I read somewhere that the LS7 can't run a s/c because it is already running such high compression....

I guess that means there may be a new engine with a SC, I guess that is a possibility...

Casull · 04-11-2007, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Moosen75

hmm well what are they putting engine wise in the blue devil?

I thought the s/c 6.2L was the popular candidate? I have also heard rumors of another 427 in the works

Casull · 04-11-2007, 08:12 AM

My question is, do you guys think that GMs response to the whole CAFE regulations and Bush's proposal to cut back oil consumption will affect the engine line-up at all from what we had originally proposed. All of the sudden that 5.3L is looking better and better for GM.

3whiterag · 04-11-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Moosen75

hmm well what are they putting engine wise in the blue devil?

I thought there was no so called "Blue Devil"

Moosen75 · 04-11-2007, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Casull

My question is, do you guys think that GMs response to the whole CAFE regulations and Bush's proposal to cut back oil consumption will affect the engine line-up at all from what we had originally proposed. All of the sudden that 5.3L is looking better and better for GM.

CAFE is gonna change up alot i feel. the government wants all this change and the auto companies gotta do whatever they can to meet these regulations.

Moosen75 · 04-11-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 3whiterag

I thought there was no so called "Blue Devil"

here check this out and decide for yourself.
http://jalopnik.com/cars/spy-photos/...ule-238647.php

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04-10-2007, 02:11 PM	#43
The_Stache SoCal Race Team #13 Drives: 2010 1SS:RS:LS3:SW Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,803 View My Garage	I agree with casuall and his reasoning explanation - The reasoning dragon is not previous cost analysis because we have been told it will compete with the mustang, if you check the mustang you notice a few things.. you get 2 engine choices (if you don't include the gt500 which i don't because its a limited production hey look at what we can do type thing) coupe pricing for baseline v6 210hp @ $20k-$22k - 2 trims base and deluxe v8(gt) 300hp @ $26k-$28k - 2 trims base and deluxe v8 gt500 500hp @ 42k - 1 trim limited production camaro probability to fall in line V6 3.9L 250 HP @ $21k - comparable to stang v6 base trim (cam more hp) V6 3.6L 300 HP @ $25k - comparable to stang v6 deluxe trim (cam alot more hp but price bump) V8 6.0L 368 HP @ $29k (L76) - comparable to stang v8 base ( cam more hp) V8 6.2L 450 HP @ $35k (LS3) - comparable to stang v8 deluxe (cam alot more hp but big price bump) V8 6.2Ls/c 550 HP @ $42k (Blown LS3) - comparable to gt500 (cam more hp) when compared side by side.. camaro is clear winner, if you get base trim levels (assuming comparable options) you pay the same but get more hp. When you hit the price bump you get major hp upgrade but you pay for it( and probably bundled options hud/nav/bluetooth/ect..) again personally i don't like it if it goes this way but we will have to see for official word

04-10-2007, 06:09 PM	#47
SoFlaZ Drives: 2013 SS LS3 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: WPB FL Posts: 947 View My Garage	Im still kinda worried about the prices but i am going to stay optimistic and trust you on this 3whiterag.

04-10-2007, 08:53 PM	#48
Moosen75 Drives: Junk til 2008 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Philadelphia, Pa Posts: 173	i like the sound of 400-450 horses. alot more then the last production camaro. u figure the 2006 goat was at i believe 400 horses on the ls2. so its gotta be at least at that figure or above. this is sounding good to me. could you imagine if they drop the ls7 with the supercharger that they are putting in the blue devil vette.

04-11-2007, 06:28 AM	#50
Moosen75 Drives: Junk til 2008 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Philadelphia, Pa Posts: 173	hmm well what are they putting engine wise in the blue devil?

04-11-2007, 08:12 AM	#53
Casull Drives: Chevy Silverado Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 754	My question is, do you guys think that GMs response to the whole CAFE regulations and Bush's proposal to cut back oil consumption will affect the engine line-up at all from what we had originally proposed. All of the sudden that 5.3L is looking better and better for GM.