12-11-2009, 09:26 AM | #15 |
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Yeah a prime example of a rebadged car is the Holden Monaro which is also know as a the Pontiac GTO and the Vauxhall Monaro VXR
Hopefully this will clear up the rebadged CTS-V issue
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12-11-2009, 09:51 AM | #16 |
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It depends on what it will be built to compete against. It makes more sense to have the Z/28 with the LS9 engine if you are putting it against the GT500. Fully built engine vs Fully built engine with a slight edge to the larger displacement engine
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warranty is the big kicker as well. and I can tell you that the LSA is on hell of a motor. gm tests the living balls out of these motors. try going WOT for a week or two straight.... ~7300+rpm with no problems. LSA will most likely be going into the car, unless they can get the Gen V motors out the door now. my personal choice over the LSA? 440LSX.
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but why do you need a fully built engine to face off against a mustang?
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The LSA would compete with the GT500 just fine. The only downfall for the Camaro is that it is a porker compared to the GT500.
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even if the camaro is heavier do to the supercharge (which it will be) why can't they use weight savings to help curb that. it will be within 150 lbs I suspect. 3860 SS manual 3752 mustang GT with track pack (link to where I got that info) |
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My guess is they will. I would guess a lighter exhaust, maybe some fiberglass and lighter wider wheels. They could take notes from the Z06 guys. When the Z28 does come out (I doubt Ed Welburn would open his mouth unless it's coming) it will be a hair under 4K lbs. |
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I don't think they are going to do much in terms of weight savings. That would mean that they would have to have special parts made specifically for the Z28 and this will just make cost go up even more. With some of the ideas that are being thrown out here (weight reductions & LS9) the Z28 may be comparable to the GT500 performance wise, but it will be far more expensive.
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lol. wow sorry I still don't see how you think it's going to be so much more then the GT500. maybe after markups that some dealers like to charge. but the same crap was said about the camaro before it came out with the LS3. it's going to be too expensive if they put that motor in there. . .where did they price it? again I still think it will be a hair more then the GT500. and that's because of the performance premium. if I've learned something about chevy with the 4th gens and now the 5th gens. they don't like to come in second when it comes to performance against the stang. |
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I just want to see a supercharged option for the Camaro next year, even if it is on the SS.
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12-11-2009, 03:26 PM | #25 |
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I'd like to see the Leno Camaro become the new Z28, would be pretty cool (but highly unlikely).
I think the LSA would be a good motor for the Z28 but I think stuff like a Carbon Fiber Hood, lighter wheels, lighter exhaust, maybe even seats who knows but that would do a ton for the weight and would help it compete with the GT500 (direct competition) trust me GM's smarter than to make the Z28 slower than that.
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Both are built to be 20% stronger than the LS3 short-block, according to GM, and even have forged (LS9) or hypereutectic pistons (LSA) with oil-spray cooling to handle the pushing power. The heads on these engines are similar to the L98/L76/LS3 heads except that they were slightly redesigned to aid in mix the air/fuel being pumped in by the supercharger. The difference can also be found in the supercharger. The LS9 has a 4-lobe Eaton 2.3 L supercharger on top, while the LSA has a smaller 1.9 L. Both are the most powerful engines offered in their respective cars, the LS9 in the Corvette ZR1, and the LSA in the CTS-V and hopefully the Camaro Z28 one day."
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12-11-2009, 04:23 PM | #28 |
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I'm going to agree with many posts and points in this thread too. I DO favor LSA because of many reasons.
As much as I'd like to see LSA (I'd love LS9, but agree it just wouldn't keep the cost relatively reasonable), I don't think I'd mind a DI V8. If it made at least LS7 power, but preferrably more, I wouldn't have much of a problem. I'm just Hell-bent on a supercharger engine - those Ford boys have had enough fun without us
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