The Next Shelby GT500: Could it be an AWD EcoBoost V6?

[PostNup]

I agree with Hilflos, Shelby was an innovator, and one of the all time greats...

But let's be apples to apples here, using the new tech and calling it by this musclecar's patriarch name would be no different than coming up with a new trophy in the NFL to signify some quality of greatness by today's standards... And calling it the Johnny U. Trophy!!!!!

I am ALL about the tech... Just call it what it is, don't hang it on the name of a great man/influence who would not be able to comprehend the technology used. It is just not right.

Is there a Zora edition of the Camaro?

[motorhead]

Didn't read the article because I don't have too just by reading the thread title. That would be a damn shame no matter how well it run. It would only prove to me how munch better it would be if they put their efforts into doing the same with a V8.

[Donald]

This is likely just parts sharing for future vehicles. Hubs for the next Taurus AWD model or something, just easier to have it done.

[i2disturbedSS]

Originally Posted by Apex Motorsports

The 5th Gen Camaro has the same. Rather than using unique parts on ever single car the engineers often use existing parts in their "parts bin" to keep costs down.

Was thinking the same.

[Mean Green Z28]

Probably much sturdier hubs from a truck platform

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[hockeylover86]

Its been hinted by "people in the know" that the next GT500 WILL NOT be V6...

As mentioned earlier, the hubs could be a heavier duty shared component with something else already AWD/4WD..

AWD GT500 would be hugely expensive...

[crysalis_01]

Not a shared part. The owner who's post I posted, says it's a distinct part number. So, it's not a parts bin piece. At least not yet. I was thinking perhaps they were designed so GT350 could have a lighter piece while the "GT500" will actually make use of the piece's functionality.

Like I said I don't imagine GT500 will be the first Mustang to use the 3.5EB, that'll go to a SE, while I'd put money on GT500 utilizing something akin to a 5.4L TTV8.

[hockeylover86]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Not a shared part. The owner who's post I posted, says it's a distinct part number. So, it's not a parts bin piece. At least not yet. I was thinking perhaps they were designed so GT350 could have a lighter piece while the "GT500" will actually make use of the piece's functionality.

Like I said I don't imagine GT500 will be the first Mustang to use the 3.5EB, that'll go to a SE, while I'd put money on GT500 utilizing something akin to a 5.4L TTV8.

I didn't read that as non-shared across platforms, but not the same checked against other S550 parts.

Over on SVT, a poster claimed that a Ford rep said they were from a Lincoln.

If they build a turbo coyote V8 GT500 with an auto, they will have my money....

DBK over on SVT posted no V6 EB GT500, so thats good enough for me to take as gospel.

[crysalis_01]

Nice. Bring on the TT displacement bumped Coyote. Though with that change I'm guessing it would get a new name.

94mm bore - by using the PTWA ala Voodoo
96.4mm stroke - up (3.7mm) from 92.7 to 96.4

Boom, 326.6ci or 5.4L (5.352L but everyone rounds up)

[matt55]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Nice. Bring on the TT displacement bumped Coyote. Though with that change I'm guessing it would get a new name.

94mm bore - by using the PTWA ala Voodoo
96.4mm stroke - up (3.7mm) from 92.7 to 96.4

Boom, 326.6ci or 5.4L (5.352L but everyone rounds up)

Something sounds funny about a FORD 327 ci lol

[mikeSS]

You guys act like we can just keep pumping out these huge V8 engines over the next 50 years because a v6 wont be ok with the GT500/pony car people. the age of muscle cars years ago died, and it can die again. restrictions can get to a point where its only feasible to make small turbo/electric cars. That day can happen. there are many more people in the world who dont care to drive big V8 sports cars. Most people care more about luxury, and fuel economy. so getting rid of these V8 engines will only hurt a small percent of car buyers (like my self).

i could easily believe ford is going to put a GT engine in the GT500.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by matt55

Something sounds funny about a FORD 327 ci lol

Well the LS7 was actually a 428...so....

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

You guys act like we can just keep pumping out these huge V8 engines over the next 50 years because a v6 wont be ok with the GT500/pony car people. the age of muscle cars years ago died, and it can die again. restrictions can get to a point where its only feasible to make small turbo/electric cars. That day can happen. there are many more people in the world who dont care to drive big V8 sports cars. Most people care more about luxury, and fuel economy. so getting rid of these V8 engines will only hurt a small percent of car buyers (like my self).

i could easily believe ford is going to put a GT engine in the GT500.

Perhaps, but in 50 years the very concept of a personal automobile itself may be obsolete. But since we are currently living in 2016 not 2066, that doesn't really matter. Today, there is no technical reason for a GT500 to have a turbocharged V6. Ford might do it for marketing purposes, but there is nothing stopping them right now from building a 700ish hp supercharged (or turbocharged) large(ish) displacement V8. Any difference in efficiency is going to be minimal at best vs the Ecoboast from the future GT.


There is a myth that replacing a cylinder or two from an engine and replacing it with an air compressor automatically gives you the efficiency of the small engine, with the power of a big engine. In reality, if you tune it to give big engine power, it gets big engine efficiency. Sure, turbocharging might be able to get higher scores on a regulatory test (be it the EPA or from some other body from another country) but in the real world they tend to do no better, or often worse than, equivalent NA engines. And by equivalent I mean similar output, in a similar sized/shaped/mass vehicle, and roughly just as new (ie, not comparing fresh clean sheet engine to one that came out a decade ago).

[mikeSS]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Perhaps, but in 50 years the very concept of a personal automobile itself may be obsolete. But since we are currently living in 2016 not 2066, that doesn't really matter. Today, there is no technical reason for a GT500 to have a turbocharged V6. Ford might do it for marketing purposes, but there is nothing stopping them right now from building a 700ish hp supercharged (or turbocharged) large(ish) displacement V8. Any difference in efficiency is going to be minimal at best vs the Ecoboast from the future GT.


There is a myth that replacing a cylinder or two from an engine and replacing it with an air compressor automatically gives you the efficiency of the small engine, with the power of a big engine. In reality, if you tune it to give big engine power, it gets big engine efficiency. Sure, turbocharging might be able to get higher scores on a regulatory test (be it the EPA or from some other body from another country) but in the real world they tend to do no better, or often worse than, equivalent NA engines. And by equivalent I mean similar output, in a similar sized/shaped/mass vehicle, and roughly just as new (ie, not comparing fresh clean sheet engine to one that came out a decade ago).

One thing that is overlooked, specially by americans is Co2 emissions. On average a smaller engine with turbos will produce less emissions. Although you are right in terms of fuel economy. Big V8 engines can turn decent fuel ratings. once you add electric assist, it cuts emissions dramatically.

the emissions is what everyone is worried about.

I would say cars like the 918 spyder are the way of the future. they retain a high displacement, high powered gas engine while having electric assist. You can run the car for 20 miles on just electric. for some people who just drive around town, 20 miles is plenty. but overtime this number will only get better. its way to expensive for affordable cars at this time though.