My thoughts of the 2014 Camaro and the Z/28......

[TPAJETSKI]

Wait....you have a Blackberry???

[Fiveg56]

@fbodfather: when do we get to see the LS/LT refresh?

[Flashpoint135]

OK, sorry if this is already somewhere else in this huge thread, but someone please help me with the Z28 vs. Z/28 thing ----

The slash, Z/28, was only used on the name plates for some of the first gen Camaros with the z28 option. The slash Z/28 was not used in the order paperwork or anywhere else, and not on any other versions of the Z28 after the 1st gen's (until now with the 2014) is that correct?

[f5journal]

Thank you for the great post Fbod.

I actually had to take a break from this site last Thursday until now because of all the bickering and misunderstandings going on regarding the 2014 SS and the Z/28.

As a multiple first gen Z/28 owner, during the first and second generation period, I commend you and your disciples.

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by TPAJETSKI

Wait....you have a Blackberry???

Yup - prefer it to other choices.

I like the 'real' keypad....

(...altho the new B/berry I have seems to be possessed........)


I just took delivery of an XTS which, when you buy an XTS, comes with an iPad................Cadillac branding and all - a very nice touch.....

Gotta learn all there is to know about C.U.E......



.........guess I gotta get busy and learn all about that, huh???

[SQUALO]

MY OPINION: Everyone is entitled to have one, whether you agree or not!




PERFORMANCE:



DESIGN:

[steel insane]

Originally Posted by SQUALO

MY OPINION: Everyone is entitled to have one, whether you agree or not!




PERFORMANCE:



DESIGN:

+1

[90503]

All this Z/28 petty arguing over tail-lights and other minor issues I see as unfortunate...What most are missing is the "bigger picture" of the future of our beloved Camaros...

...Anybody notice...Retro is not dead? V-8s are more powerful? The modern Muscle Car Wars are still alive and well?....The factory is reducing weight on these cars?...
....Creature comforts that practically drive the car for you do not rule the day here?

....That whole refresh car-show was based on a performance theme...and Chevy being a race-day winner...

....Throw it all away and lobby for pedestrian, cheap, badged up Camaros if you want, the future of the Camaro is in great hands...and thankfully not in the hands of knee-jerk reactions to a few irrelevant visual features...

[detroitjohnny]

I just want the 2014 Recaro's for my 2011 SS.

[camaro_RS]

Originally Posted by 90503

All this Z/28 petty arguing over tail-lights and other minor issues I see as unfortunate...What most are missing is the "bigger picture" of the future of our beloved Camaros...

...Anybody notice...Retro is not dead? V-8s are more powerful? The modern Muscle Car Wars are still alive and well?....The factory is reducing weight on these cars?...
....Creature comforts that practically drive the car for you do not rule the day here?

....That whole refresh car-show was based on a performance theme...and Chevy being a race-day winner...

....Throw it all away and lobby for pedestrian, cheap, badged up Camaros if you want, the future of the Camaro is in great hands...and thankfully not in the hands of knee-jerk reactions to a few irrelevant visual features...

Well said.

[Doc]

For those that "just want an LS7" in a Camaro... why? That's a $15k mod as a crate engine; plus all the labor and other things you have to modify to install it. If all you want is 500 hp, that's relatively easy (and MUCH cheaper) to achieve with the current LS3. Just get a 1LE, mod the engine to 500 hp and you'll have the same performance hp-wise of an LS7. The only difference is the LS7 can redline at 7k instead of 6.5k but is that really worth an extra $10k?

500 hp at the crank is going to translate into about 435 to the rear wheels. There's about a 13% loss of hp due to various resistances of everything between the engine and the rear wheels on a stock factory car. A stock SS with an LS3 rated at 426 hp is showing about 370 to the rear wheels, so you'd be gaining about 65 hp. Which is fun. If that's all you want, you can get that by spending less than a third of what an LS7 will cost. That would place a modded 1LE somewhere between $40k-50k which appears to be the price range a lot of people want for the new Z/28 (which isn't going to happen).

The wheels and tires alone on the new Z/28 probably cost twice what it would cost to mod an LS3 to 500 hp. The new Z/28 is designed to be raced on a track, it's not designed for daily driving or toodling around town. Every other model Camaro is designed for that.

The only reason anybody wants/wanted a Z/28 was because it won the Trans Am in the hands of the Mark Donohue/Roger Penske racing team. If it had gotten regularly beaten by Mustangs and everything else on the track would people have wanted to buy and drive a car with Z/28 on the side? Not likely.

Mark Stielow and team have designed this new Z/28 to be a championship-winning car, and that's what it's going to do. I don't care for the plain design of the backend but that's a minor cosmetic issue. Performance-wise this car absolutely rocks and I can't wait to see it winning races on the track.

[INTENSS]

Originally Posted by Doc

For those that "just want an LS7" in a Camaro... why? That's a $15k mod as a crate engine; plus all the labor and other things you have to modify to install it. If all you want is 500 hp, that's relatively easy (and MUCH cheaper) to achieve with the current LS3. Just get a 1LE, mod the engine to 500 hp and you'll have the same performance hp-wise of an LS7. The only difference is the LS7 can redline at 7k instead of 6.5k but is that really worth an extra $10k?

Now do that without voiding the warranty. That's right, not possible. I believe there is a decently sized collection of enthusiasts that would like a $45k 500hp LS7 Camaro and I don't believe the Z/28 will be fitting that bill.

[TSSUNAMI]

Originally Posted by Doc

For those that "just want an LS7" in a Camaro... why? That's a $15k mod as a crate engine; plus all the labor and other things you have to modify to install it. If all you want is 500 hp, that's relatively easy (and MUCH cheaper) to achieve with the current LS3. Just get a 1LE, mod the engine to 500 hp and you'll have the same performance hp-wise of an LS7. The only difference is the LS7 can redline at 7k instead of 6.5k but is that really worth an extra $10k?

500 hp at the crank is going to translate into about 435 to the rear wheels. There's about a 13% loss of hp due to various resistances of everything between the engine and the rear wheels on a stock factory car. A stock SS with an LS3 rated at 426 hp is showing about 370 to the rear wheels, so you'd be gaining about 65 hp. Which is fun. If that's all you want, you can get that by spending less than a third of what an LS7 will cost. That would place a modded 1LE somewhere between $40k-50k which appears to be the price range a lot of people want for the new Z/28 (which isn't going to happen).

The wheels and tires alone on the new Z/28 probably cost twice what it would cost to mod an LS3 to 500 hp. The new Z/28 is designed to be raced on a track, it's not designed for daily driving or toodling around town. Every other model Camaro is designed for that.

The only reason anybody wants/wanted a Z/28 was because it won the Trans Am in the hands of the Mark Donohue/Roger Penske racing team. If it had gotten regularly beaten by Mustangs and everything else on the track would people have wanted to buy and drive a car with Z/28 on the side? Not likely.

Mark Stielow and team have designed this new Z/28 to be a championship-winning car, and that's what it's going to do. I don't care for the plain design of the backend but that's a minor cosmetic issue. Performance-wise this car absolutely rocks and I can't wait to see it winning races on the track.

^^ couldn't have said it better myself ^^

That being said.

If I had the means... I would still buy one. But since I'm living on planet reality I'll keep happily modding my SS.

[TooCool5]

Scott,
Its human nature, people are resistant to change.
Maybe the tails will grow on us.