New RWD Subaru Sports Coupe (FT-86 equivalent) Coming in March! - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

matthewmiller01 · 01-14-2011, 10:36 AM

Anyone been following the Toyota/Subaru joint project FT-86/216a sports car? News from FT86club today is that Subaru's RWD version is going to be unveiled at the 2011 Geneva autoshow in March.

Supposed to be on an all new RWD platform and powered by Subaru's boxer engine. I just hope the Subaru version makes it to the states, but I got some fear that it won't because since both models are now RWD, wouldn't they just eat into each other's sales?

via
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=916

Russo · 01-14-2011, 10:48 AM

i like it, seems like it would compete with the Genesis Coupe and perhaps whatever rwd coupe Honda will be putting out..

Zabo · 01-14-2011, 11:52 AM

Is honda even considering one anymore? It's been what.. almost 40 years since they've had an affordable RWD car that wasn't trying to be a supercar.

lil_chef · 01-14-2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Zabo

Is honda even considering one anymore? It's been what.. almost 40 years since they've had an affordable RWD car that wasn't trying to be a supercar.

s2000?

Russo · 01-14-2011, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Zabo

Is honda even considering one anymore? It's been what.. almost 40 years since they've had an affordable RWD car that wasn't trying to be a supercar.

s2k... had the highest NA piston hp/liter engine in the world for a few years...

Apex Motorsports · 01-14-2011, 02:49 PM

Sweet. I've been eager to see these things come to fruition. It should be a potent little sports car.

*DGthe3* · 01-15-2011, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Russo

s2k... had the highest NA piston hp/liter engine in the world for a few years...

I will never understand the fascination with a high hp/L number. A bigger engine, with the same hp, will produce more torque and therefore more average power, and as a result make the car faster overall.

KKreme15 · 01-15-2011, 01:05 AM

I have one of these in Gran Tourismo 5

LOWDOWN · 01-15-2011, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

I will never understand the fascination with a high hp/L number. A bigger engine, with the same hp, will produce more torque and therefore more average power, and as a result make the car faster overall.

In many foreign countries, vehicles are taxed on displacement. 2.0L can be "magic" territory. So, if you're "restricted" to 2.0L AND no forced induction, "factory-built tuner engines" ensue...

With VVT, the conventional wisdom to this point has been to concentrate on more hp beyond a certain rpm. No one said manufacturers couldn't use VVT to concentrate on torque AND mpg, instead...

v6sonoma · 01-15-2011, 10:10 AM

I've seen the articles on it, but I think it was a small mistake for Subaru to make a car that isn't AWD. It's basically there main selling point and strongest feature. They KNOW AWD and to go RWD is going to alienate their main customer base. It might bring in new customers and I'm sure some existing customers will go for it, but I think it will be flop. Part of the problem was/is cost. They both wanted a cheaper car and AWD was gonna make it to much so they axed it. I guess it doesn't really matter to me though since I got my rocket ship already.

Apex Motorsports · 01-15-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by v6sonoma

I've seen the articles on it, but I think it was a small mistake for Subaru to make a car that isn't AWD. It's basically there main selling point and strongest feature. They KNOW AWD and to go RWD is going to alienate their main customer base. It might bring in new customers and I'm sure some existing customers will go for it, but I think it will be flop. Part of the problem was/is cost. They both wanted a cheaper car and AWD was gonna make it to much so they axed it. I guess it doesn't really matter to me though since I got my rocket ship already.

We are just seeing the base model, STI could mean AWD and forced induction.

Russo · 01-15-2011, 06:08 PM

but Toyota is selling it, so what does it matter if it's awd or rwd to Subaru?

*DGthe3* · 01-15-2011, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

In many foreign countries, vehicles are taxed on displacement. 2.0L can be "magic" territory. So, if you're "restricted" to 2.0L AND no forced induction, "factory-built tuner engines" ensue...

With VVT, the conventional wisdom to this point has been to concentrate on more hp beyond a certain rpm. No one said manufacturers couldn't use VVT to concentrate on torque AND mpg, instead...

I see two problems with that explanation. Anyone that I've talked to what likes a high hp/L has been living in either the US or Canada. Last time I checked, neither country has a displacement tax. Second, regardless of why a manufacturer does it, its not a positive attribute and if anything, its a negative. More power is good. More torque is good. But high hp/L ... so what? I'd much rather have an LS7 than the 4.3L from the F430 Scuderia. The proponents of hp/L would have you believe that the Ferrari engine is superior, since it makes more than 50% more hp/L. But in just about any measurable way its inferior to the big pushrod mill of the Z06: it makes less torque, burns more fuel, and costs more (and presumably, weighs more and is bigger overall though I can't find much info on that stuff)

8cd03gro · 01-15-2011, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Apex Chase

We are just seeing the base model, STI could mean AWD and forced induction.

This is what I have heard. There are rumors that this will have an sti trim level with awd and a turbo 2.5. . .

01-14-2011, 10:36 AM	#1
matthewmiller01 Drives: 2002 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Nebraska City, NE Posts: 37	New RWD Subaru Sports Coupe (FT-86 equivalent) Coming in March! Anyone been following the Toyota/Subaru joint project FT-86/216a sports car? News from FT86club today is that Subaru's RWD version is going to be unveiled at the 2011 Geneva autoshow in March. Supposed to be on an all new RWD platform and powered by Subaru's boxer engine. I just hope the Subaru version makes it to the states, but I got some fear that it won't because since both models are now RWD, wouldn't they just eat into each other's sales? via http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=916 __________________ Just wanting and waiting...

01-15-2011, 10:10 AM	#10
v6sonoma Drives: 2010 SS RS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Providence, RI Posts: 8,108 View My Garage	I've seen the articles on it, but I think it was a small mistake for Subaru to make a car that isn't AWD. It's basically there main selling point and strongest feature. They KNOW AWD and to go RWD is going to alienate their main customer base. It might bring in new customers and I'm sure some existing customers will go for it, but I think it will be flop. Part of the problem was/is cost. They both wanted a cheaper car and AWD was gonna make it to much so they axed it. I guess it doesn't really matter to me though since I got my rocket ship already. __________________ Mods: BBK Intake, BBK LT's and High Flow Cats, Corsa Cat-back exhaust, Hurst short throw shifter, SLP skip-shift eliminator. 7/1/09 Placed order for IOM/IO int/ SS/RS 6M 9/26/09 Took delivery!

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01-14-2011, 10:48 AM	#2
Russo Unofficial Glass Tech Drives: 2014 Ford F150 FX2 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Raceland, LA Posts: 1,376	i like it, seems like it would compete with the Genesis Coupe and perhaps whatever rwd coupe Honda will be putting out..

01-14-2011, 11:52 AM	#3
Zabo Gunning for Sixth Drives: '03 ZR2 Blazer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Woodhaven, Michigan Posts: 9,358 View My Garage	Is honda even considering one anymore? It's been what.. almost 40 years since they've had an affordable RWD car that wasn't trying to be a supercar.

01-14-2011, 02:49 PM	#6
Apex Motorsports Drives: 2000 Camaro SS Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Louisville, Ky. Posts: 25,179	Sweet. I've been eager to see these things come to fruition. It should be a potent little sports car.

01-15-2011, 01:05 AM	#8
KKreme15 Drives: C6 Z06 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Dayton, MD Posts: 1,645	I have one of these in Gran Tourismo 5

01-15-2011, 06:08 PM	#12
Russo Unofficial Glass Tech Drives: 2014 Ford F150 FX2 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Raceland, LA Posts: 1,376	but Toyota is selling it, so what does it matter if it's awd or rwd to Subaru?