GM almost lost one of its faithful, open letter to Chevrolet

[bbiermanski]

The LS3 is so easy to mod, I have under 6K in mine it puts down 450.6 with out spray and 502 with it at the wheels. Yea its a heavy car, but it is relatively cheep to compensate for.

[Ironheadspearo]

Originally Posted by 1o.f00t.570rk

When the 5th Gen Camaro platform has been out as long as the S-197 and still hasn't offered anything, then you might have grounds to complain. But expecting to see this kind of stuff on the third model year into production doesn't sound reasonable - it sounds petulant.

Ford doesn't have a Corvette equivalent. The Mustang is all they have to compete with both the Camaro and Corvette, so they are definitely going to release trim packages that the Camaro can't compete with but the Corvette can, and that's not a failing of the Camaro.

Ford did build the ford gt which pretty much dominated any corvette ever built at the time. Imo id have a ford gt over a zr1 anyday.

[SuperTrooper]

Originally Posted by Neriah

Agreed, you can make the LS3 blow the doors of a BOSS 302... yet still have a stock looking car and interior with cargo space. Might not be for everyone, but its a perfect combo for me, Loads of power and speed (S/C or bolt ons), and on the nice sunny day when I want to go to the beach, I can pack up the cooler/chairs in my Camaro and make a day of it . Not so easy in a vette or Boss 302 is it?

I can't speak to the Boss.....but a Corvette coupe has more cargo space than a Camaro. I've personally carried a weeks worth of luggage for two,along with two golf bags in my C6 Z06.

[SuperTrooper]

Originally Posted by daveagogo1

In what area would the Ford GT beat a ZR1 Corvette exactly? It certainly isn't in the o-60 or the 1/4 or top speed or cornering and braking. Not to mention the GT cost about 40k more that a base ZR1 does today.

Exclusivity & resale value. The GT is never mistaken for a Mustang....but unless you're a real car person,the ZR-1 doesn't look much different than any other C6 Corvette.As an added bonus, our 2005 GT is worth more today than the day we bought it back in 2005.

And for less than the cost of a full exhaust on a ZR1,our GT makes 713RWHP & 748 RWTQ.

[Edge.128]

Originally Posted by SuperTrooper

Exclusivity & resale value. The GT is never mistaken for a Mustang....but unless you're a real car person,the ZR-1 doesn't look much different than any other C6 Corvette.As an added bonus, our 2005 GT is worth more today than the day we bought it back in 2005.

And for less than the cost of a full exhaust on a ZR1,our GT makes 713RWHP & 748 RWTQ.

how is that???

[Ravirn]

Originally Posted by JJKJ

I know the 2012 has a revised suspension coming, but you still have the weight and size issue. I know the size issue can't be resolved until the C6, but until then focus on weight reduction and handling.

Thank you,

I respectfully disagree. The size sure ain't an issue... and when they shrink the Camaro... that's going to be a sad day. If I wanted a shrimpy mustang, I would have bought Ford's mini-muscle car.
As for weight... took care of that myself and that ain't an issue. I also drove a mustang and a Camaro... and the Camaro was a helluva lot more fun to drive. IMO, of course.

GM has a winner in the Camaro, and I hope they continue to do exactly what they've been doing. Producing a better product.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by Ravirn

I respectfully disagree. The size sure ain't an issue... and when they shrink the Camaro... that's going to be a sad day. If I wanted a shrimpy mustang, I would have bought Ford's mini-muscle car.


GM has a winner in the Camaro, and I hope they continue to do exactly what they've been doing. Producing a better product.

[28.]

Originally Posted by Ravirn

I respectfully disagree. The size sure ain't an issue... and when they shrink the Camaro... that's going to be a sad day. If I wanted a shrimpy mustang, I would have bought Ford's mini-muscle car.
As for weight... took care of that myself and that ain't an issue. I also drove a mustang and a Camaro... and the Camaro was a helluva lot more fun to drive. IMO, of course.

GM has a winner in the Camaro, and I hope they continue to do exactly what they've been doing. Producing a better product.

How much weight were u able to remove and how did u go about getting this accomplished?

[SuperTrooper]

Originally Posted by Edge.128

how is that???

Paid sticker minus $4k........recently appraised at $175k.

[Edge.128]

Originally Posted by SuperTrooper

Paid sticker minus $4k........recently appraised at $175k.

wow i think they were drunk when they appraised it. 2005 mustang GTs sell for about less than 1/2 of what they were new sorry to say.

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

Have you seen Grand Am racing lately? Camaro's been kicking the tail of those Boss's. The Camaro's have enormous potential. Don't try selling that BS here.

Heck, the Camaro GS.R car the run in the Grand Am series isn't much different from stock. No, it's not stock, but it looks like the main differences are in safety, suspension and some of the body panels are carbon fiber.

http://www.mitchum.ms/chevrolet-camaro-gsr.php

Watkins Glen last weekend was mixed with a Boss winning, but a bunch of Camaro's in the top 10.

1. Ford
2. Camaro
3. BMW
4. Ford
5. Camaro
6. Camaro
7. Ford
8. Camaro
9. BMW
10. Porche

Seems to me Camaro is showing up just as well as the Boss...

[SuperTrooper]

Originally Posted by Edge.128

wow i think they were drunk when they appraised it. 2005 mustang GTs sell for about less than 1/2 of what they were new sorry to say.

LOL.....GT as in Ford GT,not Mustang GT.

[Edge.128]

Originally Posted by SuperTrooper

LOL.....GT as in Ford GT,not Mustang GT.

well that makes a whole lot more sense. thanks for clarifying that lol

[JJKJ]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

Heck, the Camaro GS.R car the run in the Grand Am series isn't much different from stock. No, it's not stock, but it looks like the main differences are in safety, suspension and some of the body panels are carbon fiber.

http://www.mitchum.ms/chevrolet-camaro-gsr.php

Watkins Glen last weekend was mixed with a Boss winning, but a bunch of Camaro's in the top 10.

1. Ford
2. Camaro
3. BMW
4. Ford
5. Camaro
6. Camaro
7. Ford
8. Camaro
9. BMW
10. Porche

Seems to me Camaro is showing up just as well as the Boss...

I hardly consider this series of racing grassroots racing. Highly doubtful any of us could afford to compete in this series of racing on individual budgets.

However, you made my point for me. Remove weight from the Camaro, give it a more agressive suspension and it can be a successful racer.

I appreciate all you guys really like your cars. My intent with the original post was to get a message directly to the Camaro team at GM from a potential Camaro buyer they lost. I know they're on these boards, and writing a letter to GM, hoping it will get to the right people is a gamble at best.

Sorry if I ruffled some of you guys' feathers by asking GM to build you a faster, better handling car to hang with the competition.

Good luck, hope to see some of you at the track. [back to lurk mode]