2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by macwest

Difference with this round is new interior, shaker hood and scat pack option on base model. Won't matter if SRT sales decline because over all sales should increase. However, I suspect the Hellcat will sell over their estimate. Big part to read into what is being said is that the said "will make what is ordered" meaning if more then alloted amount is ordered they will make them. What I believe is trying to be avoided is cars sitting like the viper did or in GM's case the z/28 which currently is sitting in may lots collecting dust.

So it's the new interior that will push sales? Up until now, people have purchased the Mustang and Camaro over the Challenger because of the interior??

Originally Posted by newmoon

About the same as the ZL1 and GT500 or CTSV are beyond the means of their 99.99% faithful using your extreme logic. I know it hurts but really you should try and control the tears a little

Seeing as how the average transaction prices for GM and FoMoCo are considerably closer to the respective prices of those three vehicles vs the ATP for Chrysler and the asking price for the Hellokitty, said vehicles are more attainable than the Hellokitty is for a Dodge shopper. E for effort though.

You still didn't answer my question. What makes this different than the SRT Core models that were supposed to cater to enthusiasts (offering a stripped down performance Challenger without the bells and whistles)? They didn't sell, and Dodge nixed them.

Originally Posted by 4VFTW

looks like MEDISIN's hate tank is on fumes...hes down to ad hominems at this point.

I'm perfectly ok with Dodge building niche cars for hot rodders...let GM build more V6 Camaros for everyone else.

Hot rodders build their own cars.

Originally Posted by Truck Norris

I'm now kicking around the idea of a RT 392 Scat Pack manual which someone here said was $37,xxx msrp so knowing how heavily Dodge can discount its vehicles it may be possible to get into a 392 Challenger for $34,xxx.

$35k'ish would be kick ass especially after listening to the vid of Richard Rawlings showing off its "factory dumps" sure it wont be as quick as the 8 speed auto but I will have more fun with the exhaust barking, popping and blurbling every time I shift and can go WOT more often without the risk of speeding. Plus there would be less chance of me getting bored with it especially when taking it to the track. With a (485hp)manual you can always improve on something vs mashing the gas and keeping in straight. I do want to wait and see how the lighter weight 'cuda turns out.

The most reasonable and informative response I have seen yet. Thank you.

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

I believe the difference between the 392 Rt and the SRT8 is the SRT8 gets a version of the Hellcats braking system, the electronic adjustable suspension, a much much better audio system as well as a much more refined and upscale interior.

In many ways the 392 R/T "Scat Pack" get most of the old SRT 8 technology. The new SRT gets a lot of the Hellcat technology

I wasn't asking about the R/T vs SRT, I was asking how the R/T shatpack is supposed to improve sales over the failed "SRT Core" models that Dodge launched in 2013 and discontinued in 2014.

Originally Posted by rocket403

No plans on a Cuda or lighter Challenger till 2018 as far as I know, but if you wait until the hype as had a chance to die you may get a better price. They do discount more than Ford or Chevy has in the past.

They HAVE to pile cash on the hood, just to make ends. Dodge is -3.8% YOY and getting outsold by Jeep.

[SpeedIsLife]

I don't know, I am not a psychic. However the fact that it's a new chassis, new transmission, new suspension design, better interior, no gas guzzler tax and can be had for 38,500 versus the 41,500 it certainly NOT going to hurt

[SpeedIsLife]

the 38500 figure is going on the assumption that you can get a dealer to agree to Invoice plus 5%. msrp would be around 39,500

[McRat]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Essentially what Dodge has done is exactly what we Camaro owners have wanted since 2009, an ls7 option. Except in this case Dodge/ Ma Mopar are not engaging in self destructive and retarded nameplate protection.

Uh... which nameplate are you referring to? 580HP is more than all the Corvette models in production, right? And so is 505HP. Corvette is currently surpassed by CTS-V Sedan, Wagon, Coupe, Camaro ZL-1 and Z/28.

Even in 1998, there was no real protection. While the Corvette was advertised at 345HP@5600rpm, the Camaro was advertised at 305HP@5200rpm.

Assuming 15% drivetrain loss this new LS1 engine was in fact about 355HP in both Vettes and Fbodies, and the peak HP RPM was about 5800rpm.

See what they did there? They reported HP numbers for the Camaro BELOW their peak rpm.

So for today, the biggest engine you can get in a Chevrolet comes in a Camaro.

And YES, they did protect the Viper. It gets the best power-to-weight powerplant in the Dodge lineup. Hands off! That 640HP V10 is reserved for the Viper. Even if the Challenger would have been faster and better handling by using it. It's a 300lb lighter powertrain. That's big.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Seeing as how the average transaction prices for GM and FoMoCo are considerably closer to the respective prices of those three vehicles vs the ATP for Chrysler and the asking price for the Hellokitty, said vehicles are more attainable than the Hellokitty is for a Dodge shopper. E for effort though.

You still didn't answer my question. What makes this different than the SRT Core models that were supposed to cater to enthusiasts (offering a stripped down performance Challenger without the bells and whistles)? They didn't sell, and Dodge nixed them.

Wow your butt hurt is really bad MEDISIN, you might want to seek out an anal cavity specialist to see what can be done to close off that gaping tearing hole of yours.

Now to business. Please explain to all of us in this forum exactly what is the problem that you have with Dodge offering 2015 Challengers with a 5.7 starting at 33k, a 485hp 6.4 starting at 38k, and a 707 hp supercharged 6.2 for 60k? I mean this seems to be causing you all kinds of anguish and I want to be able to help you through it.

To answer your question on the 392 Cores I have no idea how many were built, sold, or are sitting on dealer lots. I really don't care. But could it be that the word has been out for over a year that Dodge was going to be offering up new and improved models for 15? Maybe when you figure it out we can apply the same logic to the unsold 14 Mustangs and Camaros sitting around on the lots.

[BaylorCamaro]

Not sure if anyone has read MotorTrends article yet. Appears the handling on a road course is still a bit MEH..

That said, the Hellcat still handles like a Challenger. Navigating the Challenger through curvy parts of the road or track is, ahem, challenging.

Article

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Wow your butt hurt is really bad MEDISIN, you might want to seek out an anal cavity specialist to see what can be done to close off that gaping tearing hole of yours.

Your attempt to insult me distracts from the fact that you have nothing substantial to contribute to the discussion.

Originally Posted by newmoon

Now to business. Please explain to all of us in this forum exactly what is the problem that you have with Dodge offering 2015 Challengers with a 5.7 starting at 33k, a 485hp 6.4 starting at 38k, and a 707 hp supercharged 6.2 for 60k? I mean this seems to be causing you all kinds of anguish and I want to be able to help you through it.

It causes me zero anguish as nothing Dodge makes interests me. I am simply asking what about the R/T Shatpack interests you vs the SRT Core?

Originally Posted by newmoon

To answer your question on the 392 Cores I have no idea how many were built, sold, or are sitting on dealer lots. I really don't care. But could it be that the word has been out for over a year that Dodge was going to be offering up new and improved models for 15? Maybe when you figure it out we can apply the same logic to the unsold 14 Mustangs and Camaros sitting around on the lots.

The fact that Dodge discontinued the "Core" models in the second year should be evidence enough that they failed. I have yet to see one. The Camaro's and Mustangs have no problem selling.

[07-SRT]

Sales are great when you want to be common....One of the reasons my Mustang is gone, every other car is a Mustang, I also see Camaros everyday, not as much as the Mustang around here...That is what I like about my SRT....The SRT always gets more attention than my Camaro.... jmo, but I would rather have a car that is less seen...

[macwest]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

So it's the new interior that will push sales? Up until now, people have purchased the Mustang and Camaro over the Challenger because of the interior??

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Either you don't read peoples complete post or you are just butt hurt that in this round the challenger is better then the camaro. or maybe both but I did not just say interior.

[2doorrocket]

I just got done with the media test drive, I can tell you it not only handles the same if not better than my ZL1 but the braking and the acceleration is incredible, the interior is so plush. I loved it. Here are some pictures. One more thing MEDISIN, the Core model has not been discontinued it has been replaced by the 6.4L Scat Pack and Scat Pack Shaker.

[macwest]

Originally Posted by 2doorrocket

I just got done with the media test drive, I can tell you it not only handles the same if not better than my ZL1 but the braking and the acceleration is incredible, the interior is so plush. I loved it. Here are some pictures. One more thing MEDISIN, the Core model has not been discontinued it has been replaced by the 6.4L Scat Pack and Scat Pack Shaker.

I am so jealous. I want mine so bad.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by 2doorrocket

I just got done with the media test drive, I can tell you it not only handles the same if not better than my ZL1.

On this surface?

[tones2SS]

Originally Posted by Loading.....

Correction on my part, the rears are 14.2 inch rotors...http://www.drivesrt.com/2015/challenger-srt-hellcat/

scroll down untill you get to unlock braking a click on one of the four white circles and it will tell you the size.

You are correct there sir.
Kudos for pointing that out and kudos to the SRT team for building a kick ass car with Brembos all the way around.

[2doorrocket]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

One this surface?

It was very wet in the morning, it cleared up during the day and the track dried up, and I went on a series of very aggressive laps again when it was dry, the car and tires stick to the ground.