Muffler delete or just buy an exhaust system? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Beamb52 · 10-02-2016, 05:18 PM

Hey guys, just traded in my 2011 1lt on a 2014 2SS L99 and damn! Love the power! My only problem is that it was surprisingly real quiet. I've looked at tons of videos of exhausts(mostly borla atak and muffler delete) and just can't come to a decision. Love the sound of the borla atak, but I can't justify $1,200 right now and I've heard if I get just the axel backs I'm going to have to get the afm range device so it doesn't go into that 4 cylinder garbage where it makes it sound even worse.i like the sound of the muffler delete but I'm not very familiar with It, is that something I just call my local shop about and they'll cut them off and put there own pipes there do I have to buy ones for them to put in its place? I just don't know about it. I just need something to make this v8 roar!

LCPLPunk · 10-02-2016, 05:25 PM

Why not get some longtubes and get some sound AND power? You can get Speed Engineering longtubes for about $350..

http://www.speed-engineering.com/spe...stainless.html

Dizzy82 · 10-02-2016, 06:22 PM

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21289

myold88 · 10-02-2016, 06:44 PM

It's important you get a axle back muffler delete system with J/Pipes. If you just
remove the mufflers it will sound like crap on the L99. I have the Solo exhaust
and I have no AMF noise as the J/pipes eliminates 99% of it. Plus you will love
the sound imo.

Homeless Man · 10-02-2016, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myold88

It's important you get a axle back muffler delete system with J/Pipes. If you just
remove the mufflers it will sound like crap on the L99. I have the Solo exhaust
and I have no AMF noise as the J/pipes eliminates 99% of it. Plus you will love
the sound imo.

He said he's getting the AFM Range disabler...
I would say do the muffler delete it shouldn't cost more than $100. And u can even buy quad tips and it will look sick.

Zezima · 10-02-2016, 08:07 PM

MUFFLER DELETE..
go with a true dual set up if you really want loud
if not convert to the x pipe for performance gains after the muffler delete

Moto-Mojo · 10-02-2016, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homeless Man

He said he's getting the AFM Range disabler...
I would say do the muffler delete it shouldn't cost more than $100. And u can even buy quad tips and it will look sick.

Ha! Remember me? In California, a muffler delete will cost $200+ per side. I've been to 3 shops and that's the going rate. And quad tips here would add another $100 per side making the whole deal $600+ plus. Sorry, but just life here in the land of the left - you know, that state and philosophy that wants to make everything free? Right...

I'm going to Sawzall the damned things off and do my own delete. What could possibly go wrong?

2012OrangeVert · 10-02-2016, 09:00 PM

In actuality a catback will make the AFM stand out much more than an axle-back. With an axle-back it will come out some , bit not that much. And depending on brands too. I found an LS3 catback with GMPP axle-back used and installed that on my convertible, and the AFM wasn't too bad. I also got a Range device for free with my cold air intake, so I don't hear it at all anymore. The louder the exhaust , the more you will hear AFM. Also the more things changed before the axle-back , the louder it will be. Meaning if you delete the cats, or add headers. Or remove the resonators. Hope this helps. It can be daunting at first , when you just start to mod these vehicles. But it does get easier.

Ace0751 · 10-02-2016, 09:28 PM

The borla atak catback without the long tube and high flow cats won't be as loud but you will notice the AFM more since it won't be restricted. Up to you what you want to spend for your result.

GodWentPunk · 10-02-2016, 11:52 PM

I have the Legato and I'm dumping them. My system is stock so I'm performing a test. I took off my muffler and I plan to drive around for a couple days to see how I like the sound. I also have a Range so I'm going to test with and without to see how the AFM sound is like. I was thinking about the Solo Performance wi with J-pipes but they told me that they only help with drone and not the AFM.

Good luck and post some clips.

Joe....

LCPLPunk · 10-03-2016, 02:51 AM

Whoa whoa whoa! The Range thing is $200??? For another $165 you can get a handheld tuner with free lifetime custom tunes from DynoSteve and he can turn off the AFM! If you decided to get a throttle body or longtubes down the road or just even wanted a better tune you'd have them for free. :P

myold88 · 10-03-2016, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homeless Man

He said he's getting the AFM Range disabler...
I would say do the muffler delete it shouldn't cost more than $100. And u can even buy quad tips and it will look sick.

No, he said "I understand that If I get the muffler delete I will need the AMF Range device" That's not correct
imo, and the Range device has been proven to be anything but reliable. What the Op said was more of a question
rather than a statement. I've had the Solo J/Pipes on my L99 for 6+ years. What's your experience?

JamesMyBoy · 10-03-2016, 09:01 AM

FWIW, I did the muffler delete and got the Range device a little over two years and 15,000 miles ago. I personally like the sound, and get no drone. Just took a 750 mile round trip journey (to the Ryder Cup), and the sound was great. Actually seemed a little louder without the Range plugged in - not good loud either.
I'm satisfied with how it sounds for now, at least until the time comes to put in a cam and ditch the AFM lifters :-)

Juiced1 · 10-03-2016, 09:22 AM

A muffler delete is a nice cheap option. Most shops will charge you $200 to make the cuts and weld the new bypass pipes in. Stainless Works actually makes a system for a few bucks more. The Solo Performance axleback is a great system that will give you that muffler delete rumble without the drone.
The Borla Atak system is solid but we can also recommend several other systems that sound great that are a bit more affordable. Check out the MBRP, Solo and Stainless Works catback systems. Excellent sound and quality too.

10-02-2016, 05:18 PM	#1
Beamb52 Drives: 2011 Camaro LS Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: United States Posts: 2	Muffler delete or just buy an exhaust system? Hey guys, just traded in my 2011 1lt on a 2014 2SS L99 and damn! Love the power! My only problem is that it was surprisingly real quiet. I've looked at tons of videos of exhausts(mostly borla atak and muffler delete) and just can't come to a decision. Love the sound of the borla atak, but I can't justify $1,200 right now and I've heard if I get just the axel backs I'm going to have to get the afm range device so it doesn't go into that 4 cylinder garbage where it makes it sound even worse.i like the sound of the muffler delete but I'm not very familiar with It, is that something I just call my local shop about and they'll cut them off and put there own pipes there do I have to buy ones for them to put in its place? I just don't know about it. I just need something to make this v8 roar!

10-02-2016, 05:25 PM	#2
LCPLPunk USA-1 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS L99 Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Near DC Posts: 1,893 View My Garage	Why not get some longtubes and get some sound AND power? You can get Speed Engineering longtubes for about $350.. http://www.speed-engineering.com/spe...stainless.html __________________ "A Camaro in the garage is safe, but that's not what Camaros are built for..." R2C CAI / Apex Scoop / VMAX Ported TB / Speed Engineering LTHs / X-pipe / GPI port/rod-mod intake manifold / Circle D 3200 278mm Converter / 3.91 gears / DynoSteve tuned / 1LE Shocks/Struts/Toe Links / ZL1 Rear Sway Bar / Z/28 Trailing arms / Prothane Radius Arm & Subframe Bushings / BMR UCA Bracket, Steering rack bushing / B&M Tranny Cooler / RX Catch Can / Jannetty Tranny Dipstick / 2012+ Heater Hose / 2013+ Rearview Mirror / Fuel rail flip / Drake shifter / Oil Cooler Delete Last edited by LCPLPunk; 10-02-2016 at 05:39 PM.

10-02-2016, 06:22 PM	#3
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10-02-2016, 06:44 PM	#4
myold88 Drives: SUMMIT WHITE 2SS/RS CAMARO Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: 2018: Lakewood Ranch, Fl. Posts: 8,112 View My Garage	It's important you get a axle back muffler delete system with J/Pipes. If you just remove the mufflers it will sound like crap on the L99. I have the Solo exhaust and I have no AMF noise as the J/pipes eliminates 99% of it. Plus you will love the sound imo. __________________

10-02-2016, 09:28 PM	#9
Ace0751 GEN5 Detail Drives: 2011 Synergy Series 2SS Convertible Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Northeast, OH Posts: 1,986	The borla atak catback without the long tube and high flow cats won't be as loud but you will notice the AFM more since it won't be restricted. Up to you what you want to spend for your result. __________________ Roto-Fab CAI, Borla ATAK Exhaust System, Stainless Power Headers, RX Performance Catch Can, ACS T4 Splitter, Oracle side markers, Dyno Tuned by RDP Motorsports

10-02-2016, 08:07 PM	#6
Zezima Drives: 2014 Camaro 2LT/RS Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Texas Posts: 347 View My Garage	MUFFLER DELETE.. go with a true dual set up if you really want loud if not convert to the x pipe for performance gains after the muffler delete

10-02-2016, 09:00 PM	#8
2012OrangeVert Drives: 2012 Orange 2SS/RS Convertible Join Date: May 2016 Location: Saint Louis, Mo. Posts: 227 View My Garage	In actuality a catback will make the AFM stand out much more than an axle-back. With an axle-back it will come out some , bit not that much. And depending on brands too. I found an LS3 catback with GMPP axle-back used and installed that on my convertible, and the AFM wasn't too bad. I also got a Range device for free with my cold air intake, so I don't hear it at all anymore. The louder the exhaust , the more you will hear AFM. Also the more things changed before the axle-back , the louder it will be. Meaning if you delete the cats, or add headers. Or remove the resonators. Hope this helps. It can be daunting at first , when you just start to mod these vehicles. But it does get easier.

10-02-2016, 11:52 PM	#10
GodWentPunk Drives: 2015 2SS White Convertible CE/INDY Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Lockport, IL Posts: 780 View My Garage	I have the Legato and I'm dumping them. My system is stock so I'm performing a test. I took off my muffler and I plan to drive around for a couple days to see how I like the sound. I also have a Range so I'm going to test with and without to see how the AFM sound is like. I was thinking about the Solo Performance wi with J-pipes but they told me that they only help with drone and not the AFM. Good luck and post some clips. Joe.... __________________ ARH LTH/HFC/Legato muffler, RDP Custom Tune, K&N Blackhawk CAI, Bigworm Blackout kit, ZL1 Rims, Phantom Grills, VMAX PTB

10-03-2016, 02:51 AM	#11
LCPLPunk USA-1 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS L99 Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Near DC Posts: 1,893 View My Garage	Whoa whoa whoa! The Range thing is $200??? For another $165 you can get a handheld tuner with free lifetime custom tunes from DynoSteve and he can turn off the AFM! If you decided to get a throttle body or longtubes down the road or just even wanted a better tune you'd have them for free. :P __________________ "A Camaro in the garage is safe, but that's not what Camaros are built for..." R2C CAI / Apex Scoop / VMAX Ported TB / Speed Engineering LTHs / X-pipe / GPI port/rod-mod intake manifold / Circle D 3200 278mm Converter / 3.91 gears / DynoSteve tuned / 1LE Shocks/Struts/Toe Links / ZL1 Rear Sway Bar / Z/28 Trailing arms / Prothane Radius Arm & Subframe Bushings / BMR UCA Bracket, Steering rack bushing / B&M Tranny Cooler / RX Catch Can / Jannetty Tranny Dipstick / 2012+ Heater Hose / 2013+ Rearview Mirror / Fuel rail flip / Drake shifter / Oil Cooler Delete

10-03-2016, 09:01 AM	#13
JamesMyBoy Drives: 2014 2SS/RS Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Eastern Nebraska Posts: 452	FWIW, I did the muffler delete and got the Range device a little over two years and 15,000 miles ago. I personally like the sound, and get no drone. Just took a 750 mile round trip journey (to the Ryder Cup), and the sound was great. Actually seemed a little louder without the Range plugged in - not good loud either. I'm satisfied with how it sounds for now, at least until the time comes to put in a cam and ditch the AFM lifters :-) __________________

10-03-2016, 09:22 AM	#14
Juiced1 Account Suspended Drives: 2012 2SS CAMARO 45th Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: St. Charles, IL Posts: 18,663	A muffler delete is a nice cheap option. Most shops will charge you $200 to make the cuts and weld the new bypass pipes in. Stainless Works actually makes a system for a few bucks more. The Solo Performance axleback is a great system that will give you that muffler delete rumble without the drone. The Borla Atak system is solid but we can also recommend several other systems that sound great that are a bit more affordable. Check out the MBRP, Solo and Stainless Works catback systems. Excellent sound and quality too.