JET Mass Airflow Sensor - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

hennesseyss10 · 09-30-2012, 11:33 AM

Does anyone have this installed? Just came across it.

"The JET Powr-Flo Mass Air Sensor delivers improved horsepower, torque and mileage by simply replacing the restrictive stock mass air sensor. The factory sensor not only is a major restrictive point in stock intake systems, but it also limits the full potential of aftermarket cold air intake systems. The flow bench tested design of the JET Mass Air Sensor provides airflow increases of up to 45% and installs in 10 minutes or less. Compatible with other aftermarket upgrades such as computer upgrades, cold air intakes, TBI spacers, free flow exhaust systems, etc More flow means more power!"

lexlueger · 09-30-2012, 11:39 AM

Buy it and use it as a doorstop. Trash.

chazysoccer11 · 09-30-2012, 11:41 AM

+1 Waste of money

hennesseyss10 · 09-30-2012, 11:43 AM

Thanks for the answers!

hapisok · 09-30-2012, 04:01 PM

has anybody actually logged this to say its a waste of money? not sure what the exact design for the camaro setup is, but the stock MAF is rather large and doesn't exactly help air flow with its blocky design. just think it would be interesting to see some feedback with test data.

BlaqWhole · 09-30-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hapisok

has anybody actually logged this to say its a waste of money? not sure what the exact design for the camaro setup is, but the stock MAF is rather large and doesn't exactly help air flow with its blocky design. just think it would be interesting to see some feedback with test data.

Yea I'm kinda wondering if there is anyone who actually has one on their car. Granatelli makes one also. I wonder how it would work with a custom tune.

hapisok · 09-30-2012, 05:10 PM

exactly! im with you on that. im also curious what their "custom flash" looks like compared to the "stronger" OEM MAF. what could it hurt to test it?

camaro actual · 09-30-2012, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hapisok

exactly! im with you on that. im also curious what their "custom flash" looks like compared to the "stronger" OEM MAF. what could it hurt to test it?

Hope somebody post results

woodside783 · 09-30-2012, 06:07 PM

I have it and to me they look the same size

Broffermoon · 09-30-2012, 08:20 PM

Yeh, I have a Jet MAF and it looks the same as the stock. No problems, but as I near a tune though, I think it will come in handy to have some versatility if Jet isn't using smoke and mirrors. They seem like a good company....I don't get the bad rap given to one of their products. Well, time will tell. I am in conversation with Vararam about the use of the Vararam CAI and wedge. I will post results.

axis · 10-01-2012, 01:15 PM

How can it alleviate the restriction of the MAF when it has the exact same dimensions? As far as tuning, what is it going to help? The MAF is just a sensor. As long as the sensor is reading properly and is doing it fast, I don't see the need to buy another one to do the exact same thing. At least with VR's claim that some of the sensors were slow to react, they had a reason as to why a different one would be better. Stating MAF size as the sole reason for the increase in HP tells you their MAF does absolutely nothing for our cars.

hapisok · 10-01-2012, 01:26 PM

from what they show on summit...it is a different style MAF. haven't seen a pic of the actual MAF...just what is depicted on the website.

i don't see it as the MAF size as being the reason for the gains. if it were to be slimmer, smaller, sleeker...have a better aerodynamic profile, then it should provide gains. because i haven't tested one first hand or seen actual results as most people here, then who's certified to say "its a waste of money"?

if a MAF works like its supposed to, then why is there now a stronger OEM MAF? the original worked the way it was designed, correct? who's to say that the new OEM MAF can't be improved upon? i don't know all the technicals behind it, programming, or the how fast can it read before its too fast to be usable data? but whats it going to hurt to try it out and provide feedback? legit feedback, positive or negative is better than speculation or perpetuating internet rhetoric without facts.

axis · 10-01-2012, 01:59 PM

I don't have one either but the Granettelli's MAF is a stock MAF recalibrated to be accurrate at higher hertz. The problem is, and no one has answered my question from one of the 100 other threads on them, who's overrunning their MAF to need one that reads higher. We have guys running 800+whp on the stock MAF and I haven't seen anyone say they needed a higher reading MAF. FWIW, Granatelli claims the Jet is a rebranded stock one. The poster above my original post said he does have one and it appearred to be the same dimensions as the stock one. VR made the claim that GM had a run of sensors that were weak. This was all based off it not working well with their intake. Apparently, later runs of the MAF showed them to read faster. If you want to join the many that tried them, then get one and report back. There's also a lot of information about them from using the "search this forum" box. This has been talked about numerous times.

Here's a few pics of the actual Jet MAF for our car. Looks like stock dimensions to me.

http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/de...Z-apwidRdvx8np

hapisok · 10-01-2012, 03:08 PM

yup...looks like the dimensions are exactly the same. with a K23? FWIW, Jet admits that its a "re-flashed" OEM MAF...it was stated on the website that i saw. there has been a lot of conversation about the MAF's IIRC it didn't just apply toward VR intakes...but for any of the early 2010 builds. not so much an issue with newer ones...and i wouldn't go as far to say that just because a car is pushing 800 RWHP means that the MAF sensor is doing good job. they can be running in SD mode and completely by pass the MAF input. and i agree with your question about if the stock MAF can't keep up. from what i remember, the older version had issues with lower frequency readings...something like that, so don't quote me on it. found the link...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...light=weak+MAF

What makes a MAF sensor “weak” or “strong”?

The simple explanation is that “weak” sensors are not showing the same resistance levels as the “strong” sensors. The MAF sensors that have been identified as “weak” read 1560-1670HZ at idle with the A/C off while a “strong” MAF reads at 1800MHZ. During on road, light throttle input the MHZ are slow and weak in response to throttle changes which is what causes the hesitation and throttle lag. At wide open throttle the “weak” MAF shows 120-170MHZ lower than the 8600MHZ the “strong” MAF sensors will show on the same car. Depending on what intake modifications are made the fuel trim with a “weak” MAF can range from -25% on the high end to -3% with just a simple aftermarket panel replacement filter. Pull the “weak” sensor and install a “strong” sensor and within seconds fuel trim is back to 0% and MHZ are back to 1800+. This will instantly change the personality of a car as was demonstrated in this post on Camaro5.com.

How can I tell if my MAF is “weak” or “strong”?

It is very simple. Remove the MAF sensor from your intake tube and take a look at the code inside the indented window. Any single letter MAF is “weak” and any MAF that features a letter followed by a number like the one in the picture below is “strong”.

09-30-2012, 11:33 AM	#1
hennesseyss10 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 35	JET Mass Airflow Sensor Does anyone have this installed? Just came across it. "The JET Powr-Flo Mass Air Sensor delivers improved horsepower, torque and mileage by simply replacing the restrictive stock mass air sensor. The factory sensor not only is a major restrictive point in stock intake systems, but it also limits the full potential of aftermarket cold air intake systems. The flow bench tested design of the JET Mass Air Sensor provides airflow increases of up to 45% and installs in 10 minutes or less. Compatible with other aftermarket upgrades such as computer upgrades, cold air intakes, TBI spacers, free flow exhaust systems, etc More flow means more power!" __________________ 2010 Camaro 2SS L99: Borla ATAK C/B, Pacesetter 1-3/4 L/T Headers, Pacesetter HFC, Airraid TB Spacer, K&N CAI.

09-30-2012, 11:39 AM	#2
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09-30-2012, 11:41 AM	#3
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09-30-2012, 11:43 AM	#4
hennesseyss10 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 35	Thanks for the answers! __________________ 2010 Camaro 2SS L99: Borla ATAK C/B, Pacesetter 1-3/4 L/T Headers, Pacesetter HFC, Airraid TB Spacer, K&N CAI.

09-30-2012, 04:01 PM	#5
hapisok crazier than a coconut Drives: 2010 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: virginia Posts: 1,547	has anybody actually logged this to say its a waste of money? not sure what the exact design for the camaro setup is, but the stock MAF is rather large and doesn't exactly help air flow with its blocky design. just think it would be interesting to see some feedback with test data. __________________

09-30-2012, 05:10 PM	#7
hapisok crazier than a coconut Drives: 2010 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: virginia Posts: 1,547	exactly! im with you on that. im also curious what their "custom flash" looks like compared to the "stronger" OEM MAF. what could it hurt to test it? __________________

09-30-2012, 06:07 PM	#9
woodside783 Casey Woodside Drives: a very fun car Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Tn Posts: 1,906	I have it and to me they look the same size __________________ Instagram @caseywoodside http://youtu.be/CSc9aPh_X_w

09-30-2012, 08:20 PM	#10
Broffermoon Drives: 2010 Camaro SS RS Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Kansas Posts: 163	Yeh, I have a Jet MAF and it looks the same as the stock. No problems, but as I near a tune though, I think it will come in handy to have some versatility if Jet isn't using smoke and mirrors. They seem like a good company....I don't get the bad rap given to one of their products. Well, time will tell. I am in conversation with Vararam about the use of the Vararam CAI and wedge. I will post results. __________________ Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go. --T.S. Eliot

10-01-2012, 01:15 PM	#11
axis Search Ninja Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Ark Posts: 7,183	How can it alleviate the restriction of the MAF when it has the exact same dimensions? As far as tuning, what is it going to help? The MAF is just a sensor. As long as the sensor is reading properly and is doing it fast, I don't see the need to buy another one to do the exact same thing. At least with VR's claim that some of the sensors were slow to react, they had a reason as to why a different one would be better. Stating MAF size as the sole reason for the increase in HP tells you their MAF does absolutely nothing for our cars. __________________ 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Halltech CF 102 fed GPI modded intake manifold Bo (knows) White ported TB Kooks LT's/ Dynomax VT Pfadted (springs/sways) Dyno tuned by Rhino and GPI I once parallel parked a train.

10-01-2012, 01:26 PM	#12
hapisok crazier than a coconut Drives: 2010 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: virginia Posts: 1,547	from what they show on summit...it is a different style MAF. haven't seen a pic of the actual MAF...just what is depicted on the website. i don't see it as the MAF size as being the reason for the gains. if it were to be slimmer, smaller, sleeker...have a better aerodynamic profile, then it should provide gains. because i haven't tested one first hand or seen actual results as most people here, then who's certified to say "its a waste of money"? if a MAF works like its supposed to, then why is there now a stronger OEM MAF? the original worked the way it was designed, correct? who's to say that the new OEM MAF can't be improved upon? i don't know all the technicals behind it, programming, or the how fast can it read before its too fast to be usable data? but whats it going to hurt to try it out and provide feedback? legit feedback, positive or negative is better than speculation or perpetuating internet rhetoric without facts. __________________ Last edited by hapisok; 10-01-2012 at 01:37 PM.

10-01-2012, 01:59 PM	#13
axis Search Ninja Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Ark Posts: 7,183	I don't have one either but the Granettelli's MAF is a stock MAF recalibrated to be accurrate at higher hertz. The problem is, and no one has answered my question from one of the 100 other threads on them, who's overrunning their MAF to need one that reads higher. We have guys running 800+whp on the stock MAF and I haven't seen anyone say they needed a higher reading MAF. FWIW, Granatelli claims the Jet is a rebranded stock one. The poster above my original post said he does have one and it appearred to be the same dimensions as the stock one. VR made the claim that GM had a run of sensors that were weak. This was all based off it not working well with their intake. Apparently, later runs of the MAF showed them to read faster. If you want to join the many that tried them, then get one and report back. There's also a lot of information about them from using the "search this forum" box. This has been talked about numerous times. Here's a few pics of the actual Jet MAF for our car. Looks like stock dimensions to me. http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/de...Z-apwidRdvx8np __________________ 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Halltech CF 102 fed GPI modded intake manifold Bo (knows) White ported TB Kooks LT's/ Dynomax VT Pfadted (springs/sways) Dyno tuned by Rhino and GPI I once parallel parked a train.

10-01-2012, 03:08 PM	#14
hapisok crazier than a coconut Drives: 2010 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: virginia Posts: 1,547	yup...looks like the dimensions are exactly the same. with a K23? FWIW, Jet admits that its a "re-flashed" OEM MAF...it was stated on the website that i saw. there has been a lot of conversation about the MAF's IIRC it didn't just apply toward VR intakes...but for any of the early 2010 builds. not so much an issue with newer ones...and i wouldn't go as far to say that just because a car is pushing 800 RWHP means that the MAF sensor is doing good job. they can be running in SD mode and completely by pass the MAF input. and i agree with your question about if the stock MAF can't keep up. from what i remember, the older version had issues with lower frequency readings...something like that, so don't quote me on it. found the link... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...light=weak+MAF What makes a MAF sensor “weak” or “strong”? The simple explanation is that “weak” sensors are not showing the same resistance levels as the “strong” sensors. The MAF sensors that have been identified as “weak” read 1560-1670HZ at idle with the A/C off while a “strong” MAF reads at 1800MHZ. During on road, light throttle input the MHZ are slow and weak in response to throttle changes which is what causes the hesitation and throttle lag. At wide open throttle the “weak” MAF shows 120-170MHZ lower than the 8600MHZ the “strong” MAF sensors will show on the same car. Depending on what intake modifications are made the fuel trim with a “weak” MAF can range from -25% on the high end to -3% with just a simple aftermarket panel replacement filter. Pull the “weak” sensor and install a “strong” sensor and within seconds fuel trim is back to 0% and MHZ are back to 1800+. This will instantly change the personality of a car as was demonstrated in this post on Camaro5.com. How can I tell if my MAF is “weak” or “strong”? It is very simple. Remove the MAF sensor from your intake tube and take a look at the code inside the indented window. Any single letter MAF is “weak” and any MAF that features a letter followed by a number like the one in the picture below is “strong”. __________________