How Much can it handle?

[theholycow]

Originally Posted by zebra

have you completely demolished every car you've ever touched! i'm guessing that's every 6 months, because if not, that's 10,080 & 7380 a year & you should never own anything new enough to qualify for more than liability!

That's not hard to believe even with a reasonable record. When I was 18, living at my parents house (whose homeowners insurance required me to carry 250/500 coverage on my car), and had a lame 1997 Pontiac Grand Am FWD V6 I was paying close to 5,000/yr with at most a couple speeding tickets. It went up after I got rear-ended (yes, you read that right). If I had ever had another claim (especially an at-fault one), it could easily have hit those numbers without 300hp, RWD, an extra 1000 pounds, or a muscle car model name in the form of a brand new model.

New models with no claims statistics or history are hard for the insurance companies to figure, so they throw in more. The rate for brand new Camaros will probably go down after they get a few years worth of data...but an 18 year old male needing high coverage with an imperfect (but not terrible) record is always going to get raped.

My insurance payment was more than my car payment, IIRC.

[zebra]

that's completely uncalled-for. i've never paid more than 1700/yr & that was at 18 years old, after 1 at-fault wreck, & upgrading from a 1990 Festiva to a 1991 V6 Explorer. (on my own policy, not my mom's). now i'm almost 23, have full coverage on my truck & still pay a little under 1100/yr. last summer, i quoted an 05 RX8 & it was only a bit over 2000/yr

[theholycow]

How much coverage do you have? I bet nowhere near 250/500...

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by theholycow

How much coverage do you have? I bet nowhere near 250/500...

I was covered at 16 for 150/300 at about 600 every 6 months. Now (at 20) on a newer car its just a tad over 300 every 6.

I was quoted for the new camaro at 600 every 6 for the V6, and about 2000 every 6 on the V8.

The only thing on my record is a single speeding ticket - and it will be taken off (more than five years old) before I get the camaro. So actual numbers may be a bit lower than the above.

As far as "too new to qualify for liability only" - by Oklahoma law this has nothing to do with how new a car is and everything to do with whether its financed or not.

I could buy a 500 dollar beater and if I financed it, I would be required to have full coverage. OR a 2009 Lamborghini cash and have liability only.
- Xanthos

[theholycow]

Originally Posted by XanthosV6

I was covered at 16 for 150/300 at about 600 every 6 months. Now (at 20) on a newer car its just a tad over 300 every 6.

I was quoted for the new camaro at 600 every 6 for the V6, and about 2000 every 6 on the V8.

Damn! Oklahoma FTW!

[Flighttester]

Originally Posted by SS4EVER

Sorry but a better induction system and a "much better valvetrain" doesn't = more potential.

A V8 will always have more potential than a V6.

For performance the V8 will be better than the V6. Now there's some exceptions like the Supra, which back in it's day the tt 2JZ, was taking on the C4 ZR1.

But sorry guys. If you buy the V6 Camaro, nothing against it but if you're buying it with any bit of performance in mind (exception being light mods for sound or a little better performance over stock) let me tell you right now you're better of spending the extra few k for the SS.

Potential for what?

Using the same logic, the V-12 will 'always' have more 'potential' than the V-8 or the V-10, so why stop at just eight?

I do like plenty of cylinders but, I want about 300 horses, or even 250 and I know from experience that I don't need a V-8 to get that. And, since the GM V-8 in question does not even offer direct injection, it requires higher octane fuel to make adequate power compared to the more 'contemporary' V-6 offering.

I want a car that approaches 28-30 mpg in high speed cruise and I am sure the Camaro V-8 won't do that. My Audi V-6 quattro can, and does, on a regular basis so would expect the V-6 Camaro, even though it is slightly heavier than the AWD Audi sedan, would get close.

I'm not a retro guy, though I am an old hot-rodder and do appreciate the old V-8. I do know you don't need it though and, at today's fuel prices, I really don't want it.

No dissing the old V-8 by me. But, there is no reason to dis the modern DOHC Direct Injected V-6 either. Anything with 3.0 liters more than meets the need for all but the most hard core drag racers or those who refuse to look at all the options.

The only reason I would want the SS is to get the big brakes. If I do ever get a Camaro, I'd probably put them on later.

[Tim Adams]

Originally Posted by XanthosV6

Who said anything about large displacement V8s? Personally I've never been a fan of the sound of anything over a 350 - don't even get me started on big blocks.

I'm more shooting for the sound that me 305 camaro made. And it seems very achievable with this V6.
- Xanthos

P.S. - The above is purely my opinion.

Yikes!!!! That's blasphemy. LOL. Stand next to the ALMS GT1 C6R as it idles in the pits, it's beyond description.

And, I did order the V6.

[Warpick]

To answer the original poster, who told you that DI isn't well suited for forced induction? That's absolutely untrue.

The difference between this DI V6 and let's say the overhead valve V-8 is like trying to perform heart surgery with a pocket knife in the waiting room versus a scalpel in an operating room. You have more resources available to you to keep the engine running at optimum. Which means you can make tons of power.

I'm just salivating at a stroked and bored twin turbo LLT scaring off Shelby's and SRT's.