copper free brakes?

ukester · 11-04-2023, 04:57 AM

so on my 23 to get rid of a lot of brake dust is there a lot to change over to copper free brakes? I had changed brake pads to get rid of brake dust on my 16 Z06 and it did get rid of the dust it also changed the distance to stop the car.

TIA
Mark

Vigilante375 · 11-04-2023, 07:34 AM

You want to change to copper free brakes to get rid of brake dust? Is that what you're saying?

If so, then that's not going to happen. Copper free brakes still produce the exact same amount of brake dust. Plus to change to the copper free brakes that come as an option now, you'll need to change the rotors, calipers and pads. Because they are slightly bigger to offset the more efficient heat dissipation that the copper brake offer.

You'll need to go with another set of pads like power stops or whatever else is out there. I've only used the stock pads since I don't mind the brake buildup and race the car from time to time.

You will sacrifice braking performance by going to another pad.

arpad_m · 11-04-2023, 08:51 AM

If you don't want brake dust and are willing to sacrifice some performance, look into PowerStop Z26 pads. Lots of mentions in the forums, and available on the cheap at many performance parts sites.

ukester · 11-05-2023, 04:12 AM

thanks for the replies will keep the brakes they way they are.

SlowWhite · 11-08-2023, 07:41 AM

If I want to switch to ceramic pads (prefer Akebono) as I might start to daily the ZL1 I’m not sure the part number provided on their website (ASP1001) is actually the correct front pad. I have the copper free brakes.

Since my brakes are slightly larger can anyone confirm if these Akebonos will fit the front? If not, can anyone recommend ceramic pads for my car?

I assume the rear doesn’t matter copper free or not but feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

Vigilante375 · 11-08-2023, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlowWhite

If I want to switch to ceramic pads (prefer Akebono) as I might start to daily the ZL1 I’m not sure the part number provided on their website (ASP1001) is actually the correct front pad. I have the copper free brakes.

Since my brakes are slightly larger can anyone confirm if these Akebonos will fit the front? If not, can anyone recommend ceramic pads for my car?

I assume the rear doesn’t matter copper free or not but feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

I believe the rears are the same size (rotor, caliper and pad) for the copper free and non copper free.

I cannot speak for the other question about the fitment for the Akebono fronts. Might need to call them and confirm.

split_bumper · 11-08-2023, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlowWhite

If I want to switch to ceramic pads (prefer Akebono) as I might start to daily the ZL1 I’m not sure the part number provided on their website (ASP1001) is actually the correct front pad. I have the copper free brakes.

Since my brakes are slightly larger can anyone confirm if these Akebonos will fit the front? If not, can anyone recommend ceramic pads for my car?

I assume the rear doesn’t matter copper free or not but feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

I also have BCD option on my car. From what I have gathered, the rears are the same. The fronts are slightly different, running a non copper free pad will result in a cold ring towards the inside of the rotor face. Either pad will work, its just whether that cold ring of 3mm will add increased stress or not to the rotor.

I am sure being that all the collectors editions have BCD, some aftermarket will come out with a replacement that is specific to these copper free pads. I will find the forum thread discussing the pad difference and add it to my comment.

Post#11, 14, 16 in this thread

MT-SS1LE · 11-08-2023, 03:51 PM

Copper free brakes, isn't that another idiotic California requirement? Personally, I could care less about brake dust, my car gets washed weekly. I want the best performing brake pads and will deal with dust.

Vigilante375 · 11-08-2023, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MT-SS1LE

Copper free brakes, isn't that another idiotic California requirement? Personally, I could care less about brake dust, my car gets washed weekly. I want the best performing brake pads and will deal with dust.

CA and WA requirement. It's the same pad just shaped different and no copper in the brake pad itself. Still puts out the same amount of brake dust and supposedly brakes the same.

jbp8653 · 11-08-2023, 04:23 PM

I put the power stops on my 2017 right after I bought it new back then. I don't track the car. It stops just fine!!!! NO DUST!!! LOL

SlowWhite · 11-08-2023, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

CA and WA requirement. It's the same pad just shaped different and no copper in the brake pad itself. Still puts out the same amount of brake dust and supposedly brakes the same.

Correct, I think Oregon as well. I called Akebono and they had no idea about the copper free brakes and just said it’s the same pad. Didn’t instill a lot of confidence.

Rock-It Man · 11-09-2023, 12:21 PM

It's been said that brake dust is largely rotor material, not pad material.

I can't attest to that, but I can say that while my ZL1 (non-California spec) brakes made a whole lot of dust for the initial 1000 miles or so, the production of dust from street driving has greatly diminished since.

Bumbleboy92 · 11-09-2023, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlowWhite

If I want to switch to ceramic pads (prefer Akebono) as I might start to daily the ZL1 I’m not sure the part number provided on their website (ASP1001) is actually the correct front pad. I have the copper free brakes.

Since my brakes are slightly larger can anyone confirm if these Akebonos will fit the front? If not, can anyone recommend ceramic pads for my car?

I assume the rear doesn’t matter copper free or not but feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

I believe the rears are the same size (rotor, caliper and pad) for the copper free and non copper free.

I cannot speak for the other question about the fitment for the Akebono fronts. Might need to call them and confirm.

Quote:

Originally Posted by split_bumper

I also have BCD option on my car. From what I have gathered, the rears are the same. The fronts are slightly different, running a non copper free pad will result in a cold ring towards the inside of the rotor face. Either pad will work, its just whether that cold ring of 3mm will add increased stress or not to the rotor.

I am sure being that all the collectors editions have BCD, some aftermarket will come out with a replacement that is specific to these copper free pads. I will find the forum thread discussing the pad difference and add it to my comment.

Post#11, 14, 16 in this thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

CA and WA requirement. It's the same pad just shaped different and no copper in the brake pad itself. Still puts out the same amount of brake dust and supposedly brakes the same.

BCD option includes the largest production front caliper offered on the 6th gen (bigger than ZL1/1LE) by a little.

You get the ZL1/1LE rear caliper size as well. Overall I consider it an upgrade just in size of caliper and rotors. You can always change out the copper-free pads with something else.

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=614204

LateBrakeU2 · 11-09-2023, 04:06 PM

My 23LT1 has the same 4 pot calipers from the SS, but got the C8Z51 rotors and pads for no extra charge because it's a CA delivered car!

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MT-SS1LE Drives: 2023 SS 1LE Sharkskin Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: MAGA MT Posts: 282	Copper free brakes, isn't that another idiotic California requirement? Personally, I could care less about brake dust, my car gets washed weekly. I want the best performing brake pads and will deal with dust. __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

11-08-2023, 04:23 PM	#10
jbp8653 Drives: 2017 ZL1,2013 ZR1, 1952 C3100 Resto Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Gibsonton, Fl Posts: 168	I put the power stops on my 2017 right after I bought it new back then. I don't track the car. It stops just fine!!!! NO DUST!!! LOL __________________ 2017 ZL1,Mosaic Black, auto,nav/pdr, Roto Fab,Mamo 2013 ZR1 60th Anniv. 1952 C3100 resto-rod. LS6, 4L60e, 228R cam

11-04-2023, 04:57 AM	#1
ukester Drives: 2016 z06 Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Florida Posts: 87	copper free brakes? so on my 23 to get rid of a lot of brake dust is there a lot to change over to copper free brakes? I had changed brake pads to get rid of brake dust on my 16 Z06 and it did get rid of the dust it also changed the distance to stop the car. TIA Mark

11-04-2023, 07:34 AM	#2
Vigilante375 Drives: 2018 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,370	You want to change to copper free brakes to get rid of brake dust? Is that what you're saying? If so, then that's not going to happen. Copper free brakes still produce the exact same amount of brake dust. Plus to change to the copper free brakes that come as an option now, you'll need to change the rotors, calipers and pads. Because they are slightly bigger to offset the more efficient heat dissipation that the copper brake offer. You'll need to go with another set of pads like power stops or whatever else is out there. I've only used the stock pads since I don't mind the brake buildup and race the car from time to time. You will sacrifice braking performance by going to another pad.

11-05-2023, 04:12 AM	#4
ukester Drives: 2016 z06 Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Florida Posts: 87	thanks for the replies will keep the brakes they way they are.

11-08-2023, 07:41 AM	#5
SlowWhite Drives: ‘17 ZL1 Join Date: Aug 2023 Location: San Jose Posts: 8	If I want to switch to ceramic pads (prefer Akebono) as I might start to daily the ZL1 I’m not sure the part number provided on their website (ASP1001) is actually the correct front pad. I have the copper free brakes. Since my brakes are slightly larger can anyone confirm if these Akebonos will fit the front? If not, can anyone recommend ceramic pads for my car? I assume the rear doesn’t matter copper free or not but feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

11-09-2023, 12:21 PM	#12
Rock-It Man 376 cubic inches of fun Drives: 2023 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: MA Posts: 4,033 View My Garage	It's been said that brake dust is largely rotor material, not pad material. I can't attest to that, but I can say that while my ZL1 (non-California spec) brakes made a whole lot of dust for the initial 1000 miles or so, the production of dust from street driving has greatly diminished since.

11-09-2023, 04:06 PM	#14
LateBrakeU2 Drives: 15 RH Z/28, 23 RB2SS1LE, 23LT1VOM Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: So Cal Posts: 821	My 23LT1 has the same 4 pot calipers from the SS, but got the C8Z51 rotors and pads for no extra charge because it's a CA delivered car!

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