Realistic hp gains vs $ spent - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Glenn · 08-21-2011, 10:33 PM

Im looking very seriously at getting a eforce supercharger but have some questions. I have a ls3 2012.

From what i have read i can obtain 500 hp by adding the sc. If i go this route i will also do a muffler delete and have blown all my mad money for 75 hp gain. sc kit cost $6995 plus i will pay a friend how is a mater mechanic 300 to install.

if i get a cai that will gain me @ 25hp
if i get long tube headers and xpipe i can gan another 25 hp.
dyno tune

stock car is 426 hp. seems kinda crazy to spend 7.5k on sc that is will get only 75hp more when i can spend 1500 and get 50 hp more.

i know its a dumb question but am i missing something. If if get the sc and the cai and exhaust and tune will i get 575 hp?

Help before i spend 7.5k

Glenn

The Stig · 08-21-2011, 10:44 PM

Simply put, no. I don't think you'll get to 575 with those mods. I mean you also won't get +25 HP from a CAI, that's unrealistic sorry. If your looking to be in that ballpark you'll probably need a cam, a UD pulley, and then port the intake, TB, and heads (can you port heads? I'm not 100% sure).

Also the car stock is 426 at the crank, not to the wheels. Are you looking to get 575 at the crank or to the wheels? Because if you are just looking to get 575 at the crank than yes you're mods listed should do it.

mikeSS · 08-21-2011, 10:50 PM

you get a lot of HP from SC with right supporting mods.

Parapdrapa · 08-21-2011, 10:51 PM

An aftermarket cai will easily put 25 rwhp down on a supercharged car. U will be lucky to see 10 rwhp on an NA car.

Hp is not cheap my friend. The great thing about a sc is it will make all of your future mods make more bang for ur buck. I can see 250 rwhp gain with 10 grand spent. Cam headers sc cai + labor and tune.

The Stig · 08-21-2011, 10:57 PM

I always thought drivetrain loss was ~20%

damiiaaannn · 08-21-2011, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stieger

I always thought drivetrain loss was ~20%

I thought that was for auto? and 15% for manual.

Glenn · 08-21-2011, 11:31 PM

So basicaly the big gain in hp for the sc is the rwhp of 500 hp vs rwhp na of 360-370 in stocker. SC will increase the rwhp by 140-150hp. of about a 40% gain in hp...

bob vogel · 08-21-2011, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glenn

So basicaly the big gain in hp for the sc is the rwhp of 500 hp vs rwhp na of 360-370 in stocker. SC will increase the rwhp by 140-150hp. of about a 40% gain in hp...

you got it. so now you have to think about all the OTHER thing's you have to do, because you got that sc. so if you have to do the fuel pump kiss another $1500.00 by by. it's the end that you have to look at BEFOR you start. have fun

damiiaaannn · 08-22-2011, 12:10 AM

When I get my 2012 SS, I'm only going to add a few things like a cai, cat-back system, and lt headers. Just enough horsepower to beat another Camaro SS, since probably 90% stay stock. That's just how I think.

Glenn · 08-22-2011, 12:20 AM

the eforce kit and literature says i dont need to upgrade the fuel pump. Is this not the csse? it comes with new injectors and cai cover. what else to you guys recommend short of cam.

Rogan · 08-22-2011, 01:09 AM

Get your dyno done prior to the install. And if you are doing the install closer to cool weather get your dyno done in the same type of weather. Then you will see the real HP gain.

Another thing Glenn is that you sound kind of new to the big HP world? If this is true you may want to hold off on spending 7.5k on an SC. There might be some other bolt ons that will boost your HP and to where you might feel happy with. Maybe spend sometime with that added power before jumping up to forced induction.

My last car (before my SS) was a c5. She put 430 to the wheels and sounded like pure heaven. - whoa i miss that car - . Any of my friends who rode in her felt the same way. After having that power I didn't feel the need to get more. My brother has a Camaro with Turbo putting 556 to the wheels. She's a beast but our mutual friend who rode in both cars preferred what my Vette was doing over my brothers. His power was just scary and I will have to say I felt the same way riding shot gun in his car.

A SC might be overkill...unless you plan on being a 1/4 mile junky.

And even then you will need some real sticky tires to get good 60foot times etc...and with power and sticky tires and hard launching..things break. You also would need a dragstrip suspension setup.... so it goes on and on...depends on what you want to do.

I'd say do some 1/4 mile events (or a full mile), do some autoxing and road course events then decide. I've seen guys put so much power for the 1/4 mile then turn around and see they should have done this and that first before doing that. Some have left the 1/4 mile drag strip to frequent the autox and HPDE(road course) events instead.

Thats just my .02.

flyby · 08-22-2011, 09:06 AM

Do not trust the stock pump on that set-up. If you go e-force get the Janetty fuel fix for the e-force. Several people have had extremely lean conditions without it. Please do not forget that with all that extra air in you need more a more efficient than stock way to get the air out (long tubes). If you are going for the warranty then stick to the kit with your fingers crossed.

Sales @ ECS · 08-22-2011, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Im looking very seriously at getting a eforce supercharger but have some questions. I have a ls3 2012.

From what i have read i can obtain 500 hp by adding the sc. If i go this route i will also do a muffler delete and have blown all my mad money for 75 hp gain. sc kit cost $6995 plus i will pay a friend how is a mater mechanic 300 to install.

if i get a cai that will gain me @ 25hp
if i get long tube headers and xpipe i can gan another 25 hp.
dyno tune

stock car is 426 hp. seems kinda crazy to spend 7.5k on sc that is will get only 75hp more when i can spend 1500 and get 50 hp more.

i know its a dumb question but am i missing something. If if get the sc and the cai and exhaust and tune will i get 575 hp?

Help before i spend 7.5k

Glenn

Hi Glenn,

I beg to differ on the 75hp increase. Might be the case with some superchargers, but most kits will add 150+ to your base.

Our kit is $7495 installed right now. Without installation it is $6495 through us our one of our dealers! Our kit will bolt-on 200+ RWHP. On a stock car, just adding our kit we saw 624rwhp/589rwtq, this is with stock manifolds !!!

- ECS Gen V Supercharger Kit driven by ECS/Paxton Novi 1500 Head Unit
- Manual 6-Speed Transmission
- Factory Exhaust

Included with our kit is 60# injectors, 160* thermostat, NGK TR6 plugs and Kenne Bell BAP 40Amp.

624RWHP / 589RWTQ

----------------------------

You can check out our supercharger kit post for further information on our manufactured kits: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153360

Just a reminder also, our kits do NOT require bumper removal. No more risk of scratching the bumper, or the tedious work of removing & reinstalling your bumper with a helper.

Throw us a PM, email or call for further information!

Dollar VS HP, you will not find a more cost effective solution. That is about $29 per horsepower with our kit. Just to give you a comparison, most cam packages are ~$2900 installed and you will gain ~60rwhp from that. Which is $48 per horsepower.

Jon@MagnaCharger · 08-22-2011, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyby

Do not trust the stock pump on that set-up. If you go e-force get the Janetty fuel fix for the e-force. Several people have had extremely lean conditions without it. Please do not forget that with all that extra air in you need more a more efficient than stock way to get the air out (long tubes). If you are going for the warranty then stick to the kit with your fingers crossed.

Or you just get a Magnuson that doesn't need a "fuel fix".

08-21-2011, 10:33 PM	#1
Glenn Drives: 2012 Camaro White Vert 2SSRS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Canfield Ohio Posts: 38	Realistic hp gains vs $ spent Im looking very seriously at getting a eforce supercharger but have some questions. I have a ls3 2012. From what i have read i can obtain 500 hp by adding the sc. If i go this route i will also do a muffler delete and have blown all my mad money for 75 hp gain. sc kit cost $6995 plus i will pay a friend how is a mater mechanic 300 to install. if i get a cai that will gain me @ 25hp if i get long tube headers and xpipe i can gan another 25 hp. dyno tune stock car is 426 hp. seems kinda crazy to spend 7.5k on sc that is will get only 75hp more when i can spend 1500 and get 50 hp more. i know its a dumb question but am i missing something. If if get the sc and the cai and exhaust and tune will i get 575 hp? Help before i spend 7.5k Glenn

08-21-2011, 10:44 PM	#2
The Stig knows 2 facts about ducks Drives: ...and they're both wrong Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The HMS Invincible Posts: 25,072 View My Garage	Simply put, no. I don't think you'll get to 575 with those mods. I mean you also won't get +25 HP from a CAI, that's unrealistic sorry. If your looking to be in that ballpark you'll probably need a cam, a UD pulley, and then port the intake, TB, and heads (can you port heads? I'm not 100% sure). Also the car stock is 426 at the crank, not to the wheels. Are you looking to get 575 at the crank or to the wheels? Because if you are just looking to get 575 at the crank than yes you're mods listed should do it. __________________

08-21-2011, 10:57 PM	#5
The Stig knows 2 facts about ducks Drives: ...and they're both wrong Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The HMS Invincible Posts: 25,072 View My Garage	I always thought drivetrain loss was ~20% __________________

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08-21-2011, 10:50 PM	#3
mikeSS Drives: 2015 c7 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MI Posts: 7,462	you get a lot of HP from SC with right supporting mods.

08-21-2011, 10:51 PM	#4
Parapdrapa Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: NC Posts: 174	An aftermarket cai will easily put 25 rwhp down on a supercharged car. U will be lucky to see 10 rwhp on an NA car. Hp is not cheap my friend. The great thing about a sc is it will make all of your future mods make more bang for ur buck. I can see 250 rwhp gain with 10 grand spent. Cam headers sc cai + labor and tune.

08-21-2011, 11:31 PM	#7
Glenn Drives: 2012 Camaro White Vert 2SSRS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Canfield Ohio Posts: 38	So basicaly the big gain in hp for the sc is the rwhp of 500 hp vs rwhp na of 360-370 in stocker. SC will increase the rwhp by 140-150hp. of about a 40% gain in hp...

08-22-2011, 12:10 AM	#9
damiiaaannn Drives: Range Rover Supercharged, TSX Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Fresno CA Posts: 406	When I get my 2012 SS, I'm only going to add a few things like a cai, cat-back system, and lt headers. Just enough horsepower to beat another Camaro SS, since probably 90% stay stock. That's just how I think.

08-22-2011, 12:20 AM	#10
Glenn Drives: 2012 Camaro White Vert 2SSRS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Canfield Ohio Posts: 38	the eforce kit and literature says i dont need to upgrade the fuel pump. Is this not the csse? it comes with new injectors and cai cover. what else to you guys recommend short of cam.

08-22-2011, 01:09 AM	#11
Rogan No Pain No Gain Drives: Yellow 5th Gen 2SS RS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: GA Posts: 1,519	Get your dyno done prior to the install. And if you are doing the install closer to cool weather get your dyno done in the same type of weather. Then you will see the real HP gain. Another thing Glenn is that you sound kind of new to the big HP world? If this is true you may want to hold off on spending 7.5k on an SC. There might be some other bolt ons that will boost your HP and to where you might feel happy with. Maybe spend sometime with that added power before jumping up to forced induction. My last car (before my SS) was a c5. She put 430 to the wheels and sounded like pure heaven. - whoa i miss that car - . Any of my friends who rode in her felt the same way. After having that power I didn't feel the need to get more. My brother has a Camaro with Turbo putting 556 to the wheels. She's a beast but our mutual friend who rode in both cars preferred what my Vette was doing over my brothers. His power was just scary and I will have to say I felt the same way riding shot gun in his car. A SC might be overkill...unless you plan on being a 1/4 mile junky. And even then you will need some real sticky tires to get good 60foot times etc...and with power and sticky tires and hard launching..things break. You also would need a dragstrip suspension setup.... so it goes on and on...depends on what you want to do. I'd say do some 1/4 mile events (or a full mile), do some autoxing and road course events then decide. I've seen guys put so much power for the 1/4 mile then turn around and see they should have done this and that first before doing that. Some have left the 1/4 mile drag strip to frequent the autox and HPDE(road course) events instead. Thats just my .02.

08-22-2011, 09:06 AM	#12
flyby Drives: 2010 Silver SS Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Glen Gardner, NJ Posts: 1,336 View My Garage	Do not trust the stock pump on that set-up. If you go e-force get the Janetty fuel fix for the e-force. Several people have had extremely lean conditions without it. Please do not forget that with all that extra air in you need more a more efficient than stock way to get the air out (long tubes). If you are going for the warranty then stick to the kit with your fingers crossed.