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Norm Peterson · 03-29-2013, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by revychevy

What is the 50 50 80 rule?

Anybody ???

Just a random observation, but why does this ↓↓↓ not surprise me?

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Norm

MLL67RSSS · 03-29-2013, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by revychevy

What is the 50 50 80rule?

It is some wisdom from Fbodfather and his extensive experience and knowledge of dealing with this kind of thing in the industry he's in. When presented with change you'll have the following:

50% will love it

50% will hate it

80% of the 50% who hated it will change their mind and like it after; seeing it in person, getting used to it, it grows on them, etc. , and they get over their initial "knee-jerk reaction" and let it sink in some.

NovaDaddy · 03-29-2013, 10:41 AM

Human nature naturally resists change. I don't agree with it but maybe someday I will!

mr_honez · 03-29-2013, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MLL67RSSS

It is some wisdom from Fbodfather and his extensive experience and knowledge of dealing with this kind of thing in the industry he's in. When presented with change you'll have the following:

50% will love it

50% will hate it

80% of the 50% who hated it will change their mind and like it after; seeing it in person, getting used to it, it grows on them, etc. , and they get over their initial "knee-jerk reaction" and let it sink in some.

I think the 50% that hat it now will hate the tail lights later too. And according the the last Poll I saw, it's more 37% love / 63% hate

MLL67RSSS · 03-29-2013, 11:32 AM

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I think the 50% that hat it now will hate the tail lights later too. And according the the last Poll I saw, it's more 37% love / 63% hate

That is ONE poll on ONE Camaro enthusiast site, hardly indicative of the whole car buying public. A whole lot of people have bought Camaros that have never heard of this site.

Geez people the car has barely been unveiled for 48 hours and I'll bet 99.8 % haven't even seen it in person. I'm withholding judgement and giving it some time to sink in and see it in person before I form my opinions, not going off a knee-jerk reaction like so many here.

Norm Peterson · 03-29-2013, 12:20 PM

You can blame the immediacy of the current level of communications for that, not individual people and certainly not the car. First impressions happen. Just that it's so much easier now to fire off a first (usually negative) reaction into cyberspace that people don't even take the time to see if that initial impression is really going to hold up.

Norm

tramtwo · 03-29-2013, 02:05 PM

Lets not forget that the energy put into this thread was fueled more by the love of Camaro than the dislike of a refresh.

kickasswelch69 · 03-29-2013, 02:29 PM

Im sorry, but this camaro SUCKS!

mr_honez · 03-29-2013, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

You can blame the immediacy of the current level of communications for that, not individual people and certainly not the car. First impressions happen. Just that it's so much easier now to fire off a first (usually negative) reaction into cyberspace that people don't even take the time to see if that initial impression is really going to hold up.

Norm

Yeah, but that ugly rear end will be forever

Angrybird 12 · 03-29-2013, 02:49 PM

There was another pole that came out after the reveal that was running almost 50-50, now I can't find it... Wonder where it went? its not in my subscribed threads any more...

joeybsyc · 03-29-2013, 03:13 PM

poll.

HOTWHEELS2013 · 03-29-2013, 04:16 PM

You can LOVE it or HATE it.
When the 67 camaro came out, it was hot like the 2010,
Then little by little the boys at GM changed it, hope we're not headed down that road again. !!!

Norm Peterson · 03-29-2013, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mr_honez

Yeah, but that ugly rear end will be forever

Some of us have been through this exact same controversy (and all the internet whining that followed) not that long ago. It doesn't have to be a deal-breaker even if you never come to fully accept it.

FWIW, like the 2010 Mustang's refreshed rear end it probably doesn't look equally bad from all directions or in all colors/color combinations.

Norm

Flea · 03-29-2013, 07:50 PM

I like the '14. I especially like the Z28. I just got my first Camaro (first Chevy) a few months ago, so I'm not as hardcore as many of the people here. I've always been a Ford guy, but love the ZL1. Anyway, as I said, I like the '14 model. I don't like it more than the '13, but I also don't like it less than the '13. I like them the same, I guess. I do believe the '13's had a more aggressive look to them. The '14's have a more sleek look. The sleekness is more apparent with the new rear end and more curve to the front of the hood. The '13's seemed be more angular and made more of a bold statement. If I was going to buy a new Camaro, I would still get a ZL1. If I could add a second Camaro to the garage, I would get a Z28 instead of another ZL1.

And as a Ford guy, I'll say that Chevy is kicking Ford's ass in the performance car category. The ZL1 is a better overall package than the Shelby GT500. The 1LE smacks the Boss 302. And now the Z28 kicks the crap out of the Boss 302 and will probably give the Shelby GT500 a run for the money on a track with 162 less horsepower. Obviously, Ford doesn't have anything to compete with the Corvette. Ford better get on top of things. I love watching the car battles, though!

I still think Ford trucks are nicer, though. lol

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03-29-2013, 02:29 PM	#1814
kickasswelch69 Future Underwater Welder Drives: 1991 Mazda B2200 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Kennewick,Washington Posts: 271 View My Garage	Im sorry, but this camaro SUCKS! __________________ COPO9560!! So let the Lords light in us all shine bright like a fire, and do His will for others. For this is what He did for Us. My future mods: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=271793

03-29-2013, 02:49 PM	#1816
Angrybird 12 7 year Cancer Survivor! Drives: 17 Cruze RS, 07 G6 GT, 99 Astro Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 21,547	There was another pole that came out after the reveal that was running almost 50-50, now I can't find it... Wonder where it went? its not in my subscribed threads any more... __________________ Cancer's a bitch! Enjoy life while you can! LIVE, LOVE, DRIVE... The Bird is the word!

03-29-2013, 03:13 PM	#1817
joeybsyc Drives: 2010 Aqua Blue Metallic 2SS Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: PA Posts: 2,010 View My Garage	poll. __________________

03-29-2013, 07:50 PM	#1820
Flea Drives: Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: South Carolina Posts: 199	I like the '14. I especially like the Z28. I just got my first Camaro (first Chevy) a few months ago, so I'm not as hardcore as many of the people here. I've always been a Ford guy, but love the ZL1. Anyway, as I said, I like the '14 model. I don't like it more than the '13, but I also don't like it less than the '13. I like them the same, I guess. I do believe the '13's had a more aggressive look to them. The '14's have a more sleek look. The sleekness is more apparent with the new rear end and more curve to the front of the hood. The '13's seemed be more angular and made more of a bold statement. If I was going to buy a new Camaro, I would still get a ZL1. If I could add a second Camaro to the garage, I would get a Z28 instead of another ZL1. And as a Ford guy, I'll say that Chevy is kicking Ford's ass in the performance car category. The ZL1 is a better overall package than the Shelby GT500. The 1LE smacks the Boss 302. And now the Z28 kicks the crap out of the Boss 302 and will probably give the Shelby GT500 a run for the money on a track with 162 less horsepower. Obviously, Ford doesn't have anything to compete with the Corvette. Ford better get on top of things. I love watching the car battles, though! I still think Ford trucks are nicer, though. lol __________________

03-29-2013, 10:41 AM	#1809
NovaDaddy Nova Daddy Drives: 2012 Cummins/1972 Nova 2 door coupe Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Cochrane, Alberta Canada Posts: 155	Human nature naturally resists change. I don't agree with it but maybe someday I will!

03-29-2013, 12:20 PM	#1812
Norm Peterson corner barstool sitter Drives: 08 Mustang GT, 19 WRX Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Eastern Time Zone Posts: 6,990	You can blame the immediacy of the current level of communications for that, not individual people and certainly not the car. First impressions happen. Just that it's so much easier now to fire off a first (usually negative) reaction into cyberspace that people don't even take the time to see if that initial impression is really going to hold up. Norm

03-29-2013, 02:05 PM	#1813
tramtwo Drives: 2021 1LE Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: N'Awlinz Posts: 6,315	Lets not forget that the energy put into this thread was fueled more by the love of Camaro than the dislike of a refresh.

03-29-2013, 04:16 PM	#1818
HOTWHEELS2013 Drives: 1994 z28, 2012 zl1, 2013 hot wheels Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: frozen, PA Posts: 3	You can LOVE it or HATE it. When the 67 camaro came out, it was hot like the 2010, Then little by little the boys at GM changed it, hope we're not headed down that road again. !!!