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05-24-2017, 09:14 PM
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Make your own turbo kit? Lol
Hey ya'll what's up, don't know if this has been covered but I have spent probably a good 20 total hours doing research and I have come to many conclusions and have learned alot but just seeing if anyone on here has had the same thought and or have tried it. So I know of a few people that have done the junkyard 5.3 with some ebay turbos, made some decent numbers and that's the way it goes. My question is why not be able to take a 2-400 dollar ebay ball bearing turbo with like a .70 A/R with a T3 flange and make it exactly like the turbonetics kit. Oil and water cooled. Comes off both headers into the turbo, into the intercooler and into the TB. Out of the turbo back under the engine and Y pipe it for dual exhaust. Have the wastegates and blowoff valves on it just like every other kit but only spending 1500-2500 Instead of 5000-7000 cause I really do not see why a kit costs that much. Yeah headers are expensive but if you use what headers you have why does that matter? I've got 1 3/4 long tubes. And some kits come with injectors. Ok that what 4-500? I still do not see a real reason for 150hp to cost 6k. Just my .02 but anyways what so you guys think about the route I'm thinking of.
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05-24-2017, 09:18 PM
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Drives: 2011 Camaro 1SS Join Date: Feb 2016
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You get what you pay for. Enjoy your 2 hours to 1 week of fun before it inevitably blows up.
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05-24-2017, 09:20 PM
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Sorry I forgot to mention I would take whatever turbo I found and rebuild it. Rebuild kits are cheap and I've been around then I had a 09 duramax for a long time and messed with turbo set ups. But those were vvt turbos so a little different
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05-24-2017, 10:52 PM
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Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS M6 - Intake/Exhaust Join Date: Sep 2014
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That turbo is WAY too small for the cubes. A T4 76/75 is the smallest I'd go on a LS3.
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05-25-2017, 09:07 AM
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Drives: 2012 2SS/RS, 1968 SS Join Date: Feb 2012
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6k is also covering the manufacturing set up, overhead, and R&D of the turbo kit you are installing on your car.
If you have the tools and the know-how to really create something from scratch, then clearly it's going to be cheaper, but people don't just whip these things out of nowhere and then price gouge with them. There really is development that goes into this type of stuff.
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05-25-2017, 09:19 AM
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Drives: 2010 SS 2SS M6 Join Date: Aug 2016
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It's all about the tune.....good luck...
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05-25-2017, 05:00 PM
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Seen it done many times. It's just a project for fabrication. Not complicated.
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05-25-2017, 08:33 PM
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Drives: 2010 2SS LS3, 2013 duramax Join Date: Nov 2012
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ECS Ysi-B, cam, Tsp 2" longtubes, Squash dual pumps, Id1300s, meth, 4L80e, FTI 3600, ZL1 3.73 diff, BMR suspension, 15" conversion, weld rts mt 275 et street R. 9.6@147mph
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05-27-2017, 07:50 AM
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Drives: 1999 Trans Am Join Date: Jul 2009
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You can make your own kit and save all the labor costs. It just isn't cost effective if you pay a shop to make a kit.
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06-07-2017, 09:29 PM
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...not a marine biologist
Drives: 2012 Camaro RY SS LS3 Join Date: Mar 2013
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Why don't you just do a 175 shot of nitrous? It would cost you way less than $2k and the car would be reliable properly tuned. It would be safer than gambling with low grade parts on your car. Anyone with vision, time and ingenuity can do what you suggested, but there are many ancillary things needed to properly support FI reliably.
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06-07-2017, 10:12 PM
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Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012
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Turbo never has to be filled and never needs a heater to keep pressure up.
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08-06-2017, 11:23 AM
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Drives: 2010 camaro, 1971 datsun 240z Join Date: Jun 2017
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I made my own kit as I swapped a iron 6.0.
It's a lot of fab work and I am a journeyman steamfitter/pipefitter as well as plumber/gasfitter so I was pretty confident in my piping fit-up. That being said I still spent many hours building all the hot side piping and exhaust especially...the cold side was easy. I probably spent just north of 2500$ Canadian for all the piping, clamps, turbo etc... that doesn't include the bigger injectors or zl1 fuel pump, and I was very patient waiting for cheap turbo parts to piece it together. I also then paid to have someone tune it and dyno time.... that wasn't cheap. I probably saved 3 or 4 thousand bucks in the end, but it was a bunch of work.....I think I did a sweet job though :p |
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08-06-2017, 12:29 PM
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08-06-2017, 01:00 PM
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Drives: 2010 camaro, 1971 datsun 240z Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
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Here are some pictures I have with me on my phone. I built the hot side using 2 passenger side truck exhaust manifolds, built a crossover pipe under the tranny and then on the driver side I welded a merge to a single 3" inlet that 90's up into the turbo. It was kinda tricky fishing a 2.5" pipe around the exhaust manifold and missing the steering for the crossover pipe, but it worked...I can probably get more detailed pictures of that once I am home (working out of town for a few weeks)
Ditched the a/c so I had lots of room for a 3.5" exhaust, which I eventually merged into the stock exhaust by the differential, and later changed out the mufflers. It is definitely a beast on the street lol. Into boost under 3000 and full boost around 3400rpm. Also ended up ceramic coating everything as I had mild steel piping with stainless v band flanges etc. Changed the accessory drive to the corvette spacing, got the corvette water pump and I was able to either trim or fabricate new brackets for the accessories....had to get someone's help getting a power steering pulley that was offset inward, ended up cutting out the centre and flipping it around, it's about 1/8" off square with the accessory drive but no problems so far, was unable to trim to bracket any more as the pump is a sliver from touching the cylinder heads....made lots of room in the engine bay though 
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