K&N's Short Ram vs. Cold Air System - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

SamSS · 01-12-2010, 10:32 PM

So K&N has 3 systems: short ram, cold air, and complete cold air. The shot ram system goes exactly where the stock CAI is. The cold air system goes down and is placed next to the wheel. The complete cold air system is both, I think.
So how much is the difference in HP gain between the short ram and the cold air?

This is the K&N short ram system...

MadMav · 01-12-2010, 10:36 PM

First I have heard of this. The shortram is the only one I know of.

Mav

Deeboe · 01-13-2010, 06:17 AM

yeah i only heard of KnN making a short ram too. ahhh does'nt matter. I love KnN filters, but for my SS i went with V-Ram, just waiting on it to be shipped.

Charlie@STILLEN · 01-15-2010, 03:52 PM

It is True that K&N has three different styles of their Typhoon Intakes, but unfortunately, they do not make all 3 styles available for every intake available. The Short Ram and the Complete Cold Air were typically made for the Import Cars.

For the 2010 Camaro the only Style currently available is the Cold Air Design.

These make incredible power and are very popular. Since its Release Date K&N has already sold out of their inventory. STILLEN anticipated this rush and placed a significant stock order, and are currently down to our last couple of sets.

let me know if you are interested in one.

Iwantone2 · 01-15-2010, 03:55 PM

Don't know of different version as others have said, but one of our local users saw 16 rwhp increase with the K&N alone

ttexxan · 01-15-2010, 03:58 PM

Im interested in one of the K&N if still have some PM me Does it do anything to the warrenty

SamSS · 01-15-2010, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie@STILLEN

It is True that K&N has three different styles of their Typhoon Intakes, but unfortunately, they do not make all 3 styles available for every intake available. The Short Ram and the Complete Cold Air were typically made for the Import Cars.

For the 2010 Camaro the only Style currently available is the Cold Air Design.

These make incredible power and are very popular. Since its Release Date K&N has already sold out of their inventory. STILLEN anticipated this rush and placed a significant stock order, and are currently down to our last couple of sets.

let me know if you are interested in one.

I think you got it mixed up. The short ram is the one that goes in the place of the stock CAI and the cold air is the one that goes next to the wheel.

Charlie@STILLEN · 01-15-2010, 05:12 PM

SamSS,
You are correct the Camaro intake is listed as a Short Ram in the Details, but is also Listed as "Typhoon Kit (CA)" under Product Type, which "(CA)" is Listed as a Cold Air (this is where I made my mistake).

69-4519TP 2010 CHEVROLET Camaro 6.2L V8 F/I - AllAutomotiveTyphoon Kit (CA)

18.12 HP @ 5200 RPM

Typhoon intakes come in one of three designs; cold air intakes (CA), short ram intakes (SR), or complete cold air (CCA) intakes which can be configured as either a cold air intake or a short ram intake.
http://www.knfilters.com/search/prod...Prod=69-4519TP

mglumske · 01-15-2010, 05:53 PM

Charlie,
I just ordered the K&N from you guys! Thanks for the great deal!!

ttexxan · 01-15-2010, 05:59 PM

Just ordered mine also and thanks for the great deal and all the info...

tjbusa · 01-15-2010, 06:45 PM

http://www.knfilters.com/dynocharts/69-4519_dyno.pdf

18/18 @ the rear wheels, I'm really on the fence as to which CAI to buy.

BackinBlackSS/RS · 01-15-2010, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjbusa

http://www.knfilters.com/dynocharts/69-4519_dyno.pdf

18/18 @ the rear wheels, I'm really on the fence as to which CAI to buy.

Your not going to pickup 18hp/18 tq. Look at the Jannetty testing thread:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...annetty&page=2

More specifically look at the chart that is made of all the cold air intakes on there. NONE of them made 18/18. KN design is no different. Avg. powered gain was 8.8hp peak. Just some info to consider.

tjbusa · 01-15-2010, 10:33 PM

True, K&N has not been Ted checked yet, but look at fast lane, 15.9 so 10 plus I'd honestly be expecting to get. I haven't bought a CAI yet because most are over 300 and as soon as the new wears off they will be 200. I can live without 10 HP till prices come down unless a really good CAI comes out that gives you 20.

THUMPER20X · 01-16-2010, 01:05 PM

I think that a CAI can be limited simply because of where its located and if there is a bit of air in surplus in that area. I think where the stock airbox is with a lil extra air from a vent from the front of the car somewhere. Thats what im gonna work on anyway, The isolation area where the filter sits.

01-12-2010, 10:32 PM	#1
SamSS Drives: '10 Camaro SS Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: CA Posts: 773	K&N's Short Ram vs. Cold Air System So K&N has 3 systems: short ram, cold air, and complete cold air. The shot ram system goes exactly where the stock CAI is. The cold air system goes down and is placed next to the wheel. The complete cold air system is both, I think. So how much is the difference in HP gain between the short ram and the cold air? This is the K&N short ram system... __________________ 2010 Camaro SS A6, Rotofab intake, Flowmaster American Thunder exhaust, JBA off-road pipes, PFADT sway bars and lowering springs, Dyno tuned by CMS

01-12-2010, 10:36 PM	#2
MadMav Drives: 2010 SS/RS M6 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Falcon, CO Posts: 661	First I have heard of this. The shortram is the only one I know of. Mav __________________ SS/RS M6, SIM, CGM stripes, Barton S/T, BMR trailing arms, ADM Race intake(no scoop), Texas Speed 1 7/8" headers and full 3" exhaust, RMCR custom tune.

01-13-2010, 06:17 AM	#3
Deeboe Bowtie, FOR LIFE!!!! Drives: Camaro 2SS/RS SW/IOM Interrior Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Where ever Uncle Sam Places me... Posts: 512	yeah i only heard of KnN making a short ram too. ahhh does'nt matter. I love KnN filters, but for my SS i went with V-Ram, just waiting on it to be shipped. __________________ 2SS/RS Summit White M6 Current: 2011 SW 2SS/RS M6 Fast!!! 70 Chevelle SS (sold) Still kicking myself! 2010 CGM SS/RS A6 (RIP) one pissed SS right there!!!!

01-15-2010, 03:52 PM	#4
Charlie@STILLEN Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Norwalk Posts: 38	It is True that K&N has three different styles of their Typhoon Intakes, but unfortunately, they do not make all 3 styles available for every intake available. The Short Ram and the Complete Cold Air were typically made for the Import Cars. For the 2010 Camaro the only Style currently available is the Cold Air Design. These make incredible power and are very popular. Since its Release Date K&N has already sold out of their inventory. STILLEN anticipated this rush and placed a significant stock order, and are currently down to our last couple of sets. let me know if you are interested in one. __________________ Charlie Mora STILLEN American Performance 800-456-7891 ext 164 www.STILLEN.com cmora@stillen.com

01-15-2010, 03:55 PM	#5
Iwantone2 Voice Of The Voiceless Drives: CGM 1SS RS Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: OC Cali Posts: 9,617 View My Garage	Don't know of different version as others have said, but one of our local users saw 16 rwhp increase with the K&N alone __________________

01-15-2010, 03:58 PM	#6
ttexxan Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Fort Worth Texas Posts: 926	Im interested in one of the K&N if still have some PM me Does it do anything to the warrenty

01-15-2010, 05:12 PM	#8
Charlie@STILLEN Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Norwalk Posts: 38	SamSS, You are correct the Camaro intake is listed as a Short Ram in the Details, but is also Listed as "Typhoon Kit (CA)" under Product Type, which "(CA)" is Listed as a Cold Air (this is where I made my mistake). 69-4519TP 2010 CHEVROLET Camaro 6.2L V8 F/I - AllAutomotiveTyphoon Kit (CA) 18.12 HP @ 5200 RPM Typhoon intakes come in one of three designs; cold air intakes (CA), short ram intakes (SR), or complete cold air (CCA) intakes which can be configured as either a cold air intake or a short ram intake. http://www.knfilters.com/search/prod...Prod=69-4519TP __________________ Charlie Mora STILLEN American Performance 800-456-7891 ext 164 www.STILLEN.com cmora@stillen.com Last edited by Charlie@STILLEN; 01-15-2010 at 05:36 PM.

01-15-2010, 05:53 PM	#9
mglumske Drives: 2004 chev Trailblazer LT Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: North Western WI Posts: 44 View My Garage	Charlie, I just ordered the K&N from you guys! Thanks for the great deal!!

01-15-2010, 05:59 PM	#10
ttexxan Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Fort Worth Texas Posts: 926	Just ordered mine also and thanks for the great deal and all the info...

01-15-2010, 06:45 PM	#11
tjbusa Serious Sleeper Drives: 2010 CGM 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Lexington,SC Posts: 3,129	http://www.knfilters.com/dynocharts/69-4519_dyno.pdf 18/18 @ the rear wheels, I'm really on the fence as to which CAI to buy. __________________ ************************************* Drive-by Fact of Life: After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar reads... W T F *************************************

01-15-2010, 10:33 PM	#13
tjbusa Serious Sleeper Drives: 2010 CGM 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Lexington,SC Posts: 3,129	True, K&N has not been Ted checked yet, but look at fast lane, 15.9 so 10 plus I'd honestly be expecting to get. I haven't bought a CAI yet because most are over 300 and as soon as the new wears off they will be 200. I can live without 10 HP till prices come down unless a really good CAI comes out that gives you 20. __________________ ************************************* Drive-by Fact of Life: After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar reads... W T F *************************************

01-16-2010, 01:05 PM	#14
THUMPER20X GM fix my PAINT U suck! Drives: 2010 Black 1SS/RS 6Spd Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Great Red North Posts: 1,856	I think that a CAI can be limited simply because of where its located and if there is a bit of air in surplus in that area. I think where the stock airbox is with a lil extra air from a vent from the front of the car somewhere. Thats what im gonna work on anyway, The isolation area where the filter sits. __________________

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