Top Gear Camaro Review [VIDEO]

[radz28]

Originally Posted by povanic

First off I love American Muscle

But You Americans make me laugh. Of Course Top Gear is going to be bias as we don’t get many of your 5 litre cars over here.

We love European cars like BMW, Mercedes, Audi, and Porsche why!

Because they are built better, and don’t fall apart.

I'd like to see proof of the quality of the build. I won't argue the quality of materials and amenities in most cases, but I humbly question factual evidence of build quality

Originally Posted by ChevyCobb

I have been saying the same thing in this thread man. I dont think a lot of them watch it, so they got offended(lol) by them.
Most dont seem to be even reading the thread and just start throwing bricks.
Dont worry, our post counts are lower so we obviously dont know what we are talking about.

[EuroCamaro]

Originally Posted by dms

I sent them an email!. Offered them to come to Michigan and test our Pedders Camaro at Gingerman. I did mention our Pedders Camaro can turn a 1.38gs on street tires. I also gave them the video of Paul Tracy driving our Pedders Camaro at the Optima Challenge. Then asked if their $85-90,000 mile Mercedes can do that?

Here is the video I gave them

There is not a 2010 Camaro in the USA with street tires that can out perform the Pedders Camaro on a open track. PERIOD!

Will be interesting if they respond!

mike
dms

The guys at top gear are very aware of pedders equiped cars

[wylde1]

Originally Posted by radz28

I'd like to see proof of the quality of the build. I won't argue the quality of materials and amenities in most cases, but I humbly question factual evidence of build quality

In all honesty Mercs have a terrible reputation for being in the shop all the time, as well as other "high end" manufacturers from Europe.

Some are built rock solid, others not. Just like NA vehicles. US auto makers painted themselves with the "unreliable, shoddily built" brush for the last while but they have been awaken (I hope) to the quality issue. Ford has done very well in Europe as well as GM subsidiarys. There are a surprising amount of vehicles in Europe that are wearing different clothes but are GM underneath. And somehow those are seen as built of better quality. Doesn't make sense to me. Alot of it are pre-conceived notions and stereotypes.

of course the Camaro lost the "comparison" if you call it that to a car double the price. Just because it has the same displacement engine doesn't mean it's in the same league. What I find funny is that in alot of review's like this they'll compare 2 cars of similar $ value and take huge marks off for one being 4-5k more than the other (i.e. the 4-door maserati, porsche, aston comparison this week) but in this case DOUBLE the price didn't seem to be the problem

That said, I love Top Gear and have every episode of every season on my external hard drive. If you know what they're about, this review makes perfect sense for their M.O. If they'd have reviewed the Camaro by itself indepth, Hammond would have loved it and Clarkson would have hated it. That's just the way it goes.

"Ambitious, but rubbish" is how their stuff usually turns out as they say. haha

[Info@PeddersUSA.com]

Originally Posted by EuroCamaro

The guys at top gear are very aware of pedders equiped cars

Awesome! I do not beleive thay have a vehicle on their board that can hit 1.38 gs on street tires. So lets see if they will take us up on our offer. They definately have not seen a Camaro like the Pedders Camaro over there. We have assisted with a Camaro that is being prepped for the Ring. The build is is Norway.

mike
dms

[willisit]

Originally Posted by povanic

The problem Chevrolet have in the Uk and the biggest problem the Camaro will have is that the brand Chevrolet is seen as cheap pieces of crap, and seen as a joke!
In the uk people who are at the bottom of the income bracket buy them,

so at £40,000 $61,000 they are really going to struggle selling the Camero not because it's a poor car, because it's not, it's just a crap brand.

And its priced in the range of arguably the best middle range sports car ever made the BMW M3. ( you Americans may not think so but the other 3 quarter of the world do)
Plus the lighting Audi s4

There is nothing on cost over here yet - that £40k they quote is probably based on whomever imported the Red SS in the video - and I know you can buy one for around £35k fully loaded. Chevy hope to punt the car for less (but I seriously doubt it).

[Homestar1217]

I think the actual comparison in that episode was the sedans they tested. If you listen to what James said before the Camaro/Merc clip, these were just two new muscle cars that Hammond was testing out. I didn't see any actual comparing going on the whole time, save for the price/value statement. Though my friend showed me a Popular Mechanics article where they have the limit removed from the Camaro and it tops out at 174.4mph, so saying that the 186mph the E63 will do is "40 more than the Camaro will do" is bull.

[radz28]

I agree that the price they quoted makes it sound pretty unreasonable price-wise. However, here, I don't think it's out of line considering what else is out there. I don't know the exact conversion, but I believe the car in that clip would probably be close to about 20K pounds or so.

[Info@PeddersUSA.com]

Originally Posted by willisit

There is nothing on cost over here yet - that £40k they quote is probably based on whomever imported the Red SS in the video - and I know you can buy one for around £35k fully loaded. Chevy hope to punt the car for less (but I seriously doubt it).

So you can buy one for say 35,000 pounds, and then your 20% or so value added tax?

mike
dms

[willisit]

Originally Posted by dms

So you can buy one for say 35,000 pounds, and then your 20% or so value added tax?

mike
dms

No, that price includes our sales tax (VAT).

I spent a day with Chevy at Goodwood and got to drive the Camaro. I met people responsible for the Camaro in the UK and the marketing and pricing - we'll only get the V8 SS and it'll be between £27k and £35k. I would expect the latter.

To reply to Povanic - I bought a Monaro and I believe it was worth every penny of it's £36k price tag over here. I believe the Camaro will be too - it's not a crap car; it handles, it has a proven, strong engine, it's comfortable and has plenty of modern conveniences... it's FANTASTIC... Chevy UK is NOT Chevy US. Remember that.

And yes, whilst I am biased, I've owned Porsche 911s and I believe them to be some of the finest handling and performing cars that money can buy - but for the money, and the potential, I see no reason not to trust in the Camaro.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by willisit

No, that price includes our sales tax (VAT).

I spent a day with Chevy at Goodwood and got to drive the Camaro. I met people responsible for the Camaro in the UK and the marketing and pricing - we'll only get the V8 SS and it'll be between £27k and £35k. I would expect the latter.

To reply to Povanic - I bought a Monaro and I believe it was worth every penny of it's £36k price tag over here. I believe the Camaro will be too - it's not a crap car; it handles, it has a proven, strong engine, it's comfortable and has plenty of modern conveniences... it's FANTASTIC... Chevy UK is NOT Chevy US. Remember that.

And yes, whilst I am biased, I've owned Porsche 911s and I believe them to be some of the finest handling and performing cars that money can buy - but for the money, and the potential, I see no reason not to trust in the Camaro.

The tone of the OP had me questioning his intentions. Thank you for your points

[willisit]

My pleasure.

To add - I've been waiting patiently since 2006 for this car. Now even longer, trusting in Chevrolet to bring it to my shores. I continue to wait.

[CARNAGE.SS]

100% man.

[CARNAGE.SS]

yeah whats up with a comparison with an amg? there nowhere near the same class, or price. put those extra 30k into the camaro an its an AMG ASS WHOOPIN

[95GranTurismo5.0]

^ Yes, but with that mercedes.. your paying that sort of money because it's a totally different car as far as luxury and craftsmanship go. Unless you ever driven anything like that... it's hard to really know what I mean.