07-03-2008, 09:41 PM | #1 |
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E85 Compatibility
I'm wondering what anyone's guess or input would be on this possibility. I think it would make the most sense for the 3.6 DI sense it has a high comp ratio. E85 would not only make more power for the 11.3:1, but it would also make it a more efficient fuel. Which I know is important to people because I hear people complain all the time about the drop in fuel economy. E85 is 2.99 here in SW Missouri. So, it would be nice to be able to fill up on it. Also, there are tax incentives for buying a Flex vehicle and for buying a certain amount of the fuel in a year.
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07-03-2008, 09:45 PM | #2 |
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I was thinking this would be a great idea for ALL Camaros. Something to stick it to the "you're a gas hog owner" crybabies. It makes perfect sense in this era for them to make the car flex-fuel.
Does this ability cost a lot extra or is it a small expense? Seems like it's just a different material for the fuel system and some computer tweaks and maybe a sensor to monitor the octane of the fuel. |
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07-04-2008, 01:50 AM | #4 |
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GM is a leader in the automotive industry...and it wouldn't suprise me if they began a new trend in the musclecar/sports car area w/ E85. I haven't seen any E85 pumps around my area, but would gladly accept running it in my Camaro.
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07-04-2008, 01:28 PM | #5 |
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No pumps here yet either. I'll drive a car that burns corn.
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07-04-2008, 02:08 PM | #6 |
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I found it really strange that there were no pumps in TX and especially strange if there are none in OK. So, I looked up a station locator and found this:
http://www.e85refueling.com/ It may just be that they are not in your immediate area yet. On that site you can type in your zip to get a specific location. |
07-04-2008, 03:00 PM | #7 |
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only problem is these biofuels are the cause of rising food prices all over the world...so i don't see production of e 85 lasting
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You're mixing up cause and effect. Increased energy prices cause both the rising food prices and the popularity of biofuels. While corn is NOT the best choice for making biofuels, it is a myth that corn prices rising from biofuels are the cause of increased food prices.
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07-04-2008, 03:49 PM | #10 |
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I'd love an E85 compatible Camaro, but I'll buy it either way.
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07-04-2008, 04:09 PM | #11 | |
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I dare some one to tell me I can't buy this car or question my priorities. I'm for the American economy and the American way! I want to have my Camaro and fill her up and not have to think twice about how much it costs. I want to enjoy the spoils of my success. On a happier note, everybody going to buy some stock in GM on monday? I hear we can get it for $7. I think that should boost the moral.
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I agree that politicians are full of crap, but they're the ones blaming biofuel for rising food prices. I agree that it's no coincidence -- it is, as I said, that energy prices cause BOTH food price rise AND production of biofuels...so of course biofuel production and food price have risen with a strong correlation. Ever heard of farm subsidies? The government pays farmers to NOT produce crops. Why not let them farm, which is what they want to do anyway? I have it straight from the farmer's mouth on a truck forum; he reports that corn prices (that he gets paid) just have not risen much at all (and I'll note that when you go to the grocery store to buy fresh corn on the cob, it's nearly the same price it's always been). The increase is not about the supply of corn, it's about the energy used to process it (and all other foods). http://www.foodandfuelamerica.com/20...t-of-food.html says this: Quote:
Best yet would be to harvest as much of the waste stream as possible; there's loads of ways to do this and they should all be in use. There's a company making fuel from algae grown on raw sewage; it doesn't take much energy input at all, they harvest the algae to make into fuel, and what's left is water nearly clean enough to irrigate crops. There's a few companies making biofuel from slaughterhouse waste. It is reasonable to make fuel from discarded tires, even. There's LOADS of places to get material for ethanol/[bio]diesel fuels, and it's not unreasonable to assemble the lot of them into a pretty decent sized supply -- maybe nowhere near enough for everything, but certainly enough to make a big difference.
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07-04-2008, 08:00 PM | #13 |
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its not a myth its common freakin sense...
when you divert 30% of the corn supply away from food production...econ 101 tells you the price is going to go up because your straining the supply i'm sice of these environmentalists and their liberal policies that just don't work and actually end up making evrything worse... |
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You're not straining the supply when you had far too much supply before. The price of corn hasn't gone up much, and its effect on general food prices is just not much to begin with. All the energy that goes into processing, producing, and distributing food, OTOH, has gotten way more expensive.
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