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06-16-2013, 12:07 PM | #16 |
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Interesting write up...
Like others with the 6, I'm glad we chose the LT2/RS.
Now, when the time comes for an upgrade ... well the ZL1 will be on the short list!
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06-16-2013, 12:35 PM | #17 |
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What's your experience here? Firstly I never said it was a dog, although the argument has some validity. I said the throttle response sucked. These cars are not beasts.
The LS3 makes it's peak torque around 4500 rpm. That is not "a lot" of torque- 420 lb/ft. Maybe in the year 2013 we've forgotten what a "lot" of torque is. 510 lb/ft at 2200 rpm. That's a lot of tire-roasting torque under your foot. The LS3's 420 lb/ft is also not in the "low end" of the curve. If the car weighed 3000 lbs it might be a lot of torque. And if the rpm it made peak torque at was less than 3000 I could see the argument that we are approaching 'low end'. But neither is the case. I also expect a lazy gas pedal with a badly tuned carburetor, not with fuel injection. The Camaro SS weighs about 4000 lbs. At around 2500 rpm, you're making a fairly small, 350-370 lb/ft. And that's what's motivating the heavy car from low rpm. The peak torque is not available to get the vehicle moving at low rpms, such as you see from a stop or in a slow traffic situation. Now couple that with the lethargic throttle response. We, or at least I, did not have the luxury of choosing a different rear gear, which would mitigate the issue, although at the cost of maximum fuel economy.
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06-16-2013, 01:47 PM | #18 |
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Having traded my 1LT for a 2SS/RS, after the increase in Permagrin producing HP & Torque, the first thing I noticed was the harsher ride due to the sportier suspension.
My only wish is the SS had the tunable suspension of the ZL1 to smooth out all the bumps. But overall, no regrets!
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06-16-2013, 01:49 PM | #19 |
This does seem like a fair review as someone who has switched from a 2010 2LT to a 2013 2SS. I was very disappointed at the low end throttle response on my SS until I got a ported throttle body and did a fuse pull. I can't wait until I get a cold air intake to further improve the response (waiting on Cold Rush to be released to compare to CAI/Rotofab, plus I've spent too much $ lately on other mods).
However, one thing is that the 2013 SS did seem to handle better than my 2010 2LT, it seems like the FE4 suspension does make a difference. Does the electric power steering in the 2013 offer any handling advantages vs the 2012 SS? Both the LT and SS are way too quiet from the factory, so a new axle back exhaust at the very least is needed to wake up the sound (or muffler delete on the SS). Oh yeah, Active Fuel Management sucks donkey balls, the Range device or a tune is a must for the L99 ;p. AFM was another reason I was initially disappointed in my SS. It should have ONLY been enabled in D mode from the factory FFS. |
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06-16-2013, 02:05 PM | #20 |
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21 tickets in two years lol
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06-16-2013, 02:28 PM | #21 |
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I've had plenty of fast cars (my current SS, 2 WS6's, 2 350Z's, etc) and the only recent ticket I got was in my V6 Camaro - go figure.
If you have self control, having a fast car does not = tickets/speeding/driving like a jackass. I haven't had my SS (or any of my other cars) to the track and probably won't. However (TO ME) the V6 is just not enough oompf for my liking. BTW I had torque management tuned out (along with some other minor changes) and it makes a HUGE difference in throttle response and low end power BTW: Nice write-up OP and congrats on the upgrade!
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06-16-2013, 02:35 PM | #22 |
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???? The total opposite is true on my 2010 SS. The biggest adjustment I had to make when I got it was learning to really ease into the throttle. Otherwise it was constant whiplash
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Very good review!
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06-16-2013, 05:03 PM | #25 |
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Very good review! I would like to have sn SS but I there's no way I trade my v6! But I'm looking for payoff my v6 and get a SS or if I can use ZL1... and keep my v6 for wifey!
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06-16-2013, 07:51 PM | #26 |
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Congrats! I know what you mean about the throttle response. It's probably worse on the auto than the LS3. It really feels like you have to push the pedal a lot in order for anything to happen. That's easily fixed with a throttle body and CAI. The stock L99 is in dire need of a good dyno tune, also. I'm sure the LS3 is a lot better out of the box. Enjoy!
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Best post I seen in awhile I went and test drove a ss and felt the same way you felt. It wasn't a needed upgrade for me. I don't go to race tracks and race and I have a 2LT. All I need and I enjoy it every day
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